Talk:List of marathoners

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Table Format

Needs improvement on the type of information displayed. Some things already considered: Olympics, World Championships, Marathon Majors, etc. Other things to consider: career best, marathon victories, world records, etc. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Simplified Table

Name	Career	Olympics	World Champinoships	World Marathon Majors	Marathon victories	Career Best	Other	Ref
AtheleteA	1902 - 1958	1920 Gold 1924 Silver 1928 Bronze	1920 Gold 1924 Silver 1928 Bronze	2006/2007 2007/2008 2008/2009	57	01:59:59	Winner of 50 marathons in a row	Article Reference

Sorry, got a bit "lazy" with the example. Other rows similar as fashioned. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For a better example, I derived the table idea from List_of_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame_inductees. Basically, the "fewer columns" the better. Yet, all the necessary/relevant info. is still included. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Though, if a table becomes too "bulky" horizontally, then other options would be the use of a "legend" and abbreviated table columns similar to here: Chicago_Bears_Seasons. Use of color coding (e.g world records, etc) will help too. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with whatever changes you think will work best. Cheers! Location (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While I "purged" the previous table with the new table, this gave me a chance to get an idea/feeling as to what the new table would look like. Also, it did help looking through various articles on the Olumpics for medal symbols. Most of the tables were blank; so this gives a chance to populate table information one row at a time. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some ideas/questions: Even though medals are not awarded for the WMM, do you think the medal icons should be used for top three finishes? The key could be reworded to state that

represents a "Gold medal in the Olympics or IAAF World Championships, or a first place finish in the World Marathon Majors." Rather than use bold type, do you think it would be better to have a "World record holder" column with the beginning and ending dates of which it was held? I'm concerned that it will be difficult keeping track of or maintaining the actual number of marathon victories for various runners. Do you think it would be better to have the "1st" column reflect the number of victories in WMM events? Location (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That "1st" column. Well, kinda aimed that to include marathons in general. While yea, with the literally 100's of marathons in existence nowadays, it's "easy" for some people to win marathons... at men's times, for example, of 2:30-3:00 still. In any major marathon, such a "winner" would have placed 50th or above.

While filling up the table, I looked at each one of the runner articles. That's really most of the "counting" came from; and thus, WP:OR. Some have featured races like the Fukuoka Marathon, Amsterdam Marathon, or the Houston Marathon. Races such as these have gotten a fair share of "elite" entries on their own. So, where to draw the line, I didn't know how to handle it other than accepting "across the board". Furthermore, many of the runners listed have either finished or are not at the peak of their running careers.

Another option would be to omit any marathon victories column and leave the "counting" up to the runner article themselves. Those who won an excemptional number of marathons; that info can be noted in the "other" column. Another thing to consider: every major marathon has its list of winners. It would be rather repetitive to list all of those runners in here. Eventually, this may end up as a "marathon champions/medalist" list, if any sort of narrowing down were to happen. But, that's a "wait and see".

As for the WMM, I don't see why not using the medal icons, even though they don't receive medals for overall placement in that competition. It'll be more clearer. Yet, it'll be strange that most of this column will be blank, but that cannot be helped. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Establishing notability

Might as well establish some kind of guideline for notability here. Obvious criteria fall under champions, record holders, etc. Other criteria include "unprecedented", such as Andrea Cionna or "first women". And so on. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a fan of listing age-group record holders unless the person or performance has received significant coverage. Location (talk) 23:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For future reference, Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Athletics.2FTrack_.26_Field_and_long-distance_running. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to IAAF Road Race Label Events. This may expand the "major marathon list" beyond the WMM. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Room for more pictures

Given the vertical "stretch" of the article's table. There's plenty of room for more images. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 18:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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