Talk:List of mammal genera

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Comment

I'm not sure I get the organization here. Why do we need both this and List of placental mammals? john k (talk) 04:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change

Why not on this page make a list of mammalian orders and from there see a list from each order.Golden prairie (talk) 20:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated Intro

"There are currently 1,258 genera, 156 families, 27 orders, and around 5,937 recognized living species of mammal."

The MDD Databases (Mammal Diversity Database) posted since 2018 complete and up-to dates information of all species of mammals. There have been 10 versions released to date, the last being released December 3rd 2022. They recensed 6615 species of mammals and 1347 genera. That's 89 genera higher that what is stated in the intro sentence ! Yes, the Handbook of the Mammals of the World (1993 ?) and the Mammal Species of the World (2005) are very good and outstandingly made, but they are quite old... especially the former. The MDD Database has a terrific amount of information and also kept tabs on the changes since Mammals of the world (2005) by showing the differences between now and then. In only 2 years from now, Mammals of the world will be 20 years old. 18 years old and 30 years old isn't quite the definition of up-to-date... Mammal Diversity Database. (2022). Mammal Diversity Database (1.10) [Data set]. Zenodo. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7394529 Gimly24 (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well then get to work fixing things! (Only mostly kidding.... I've been slowing hammering away at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Missing mammal species...) - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha ! I've started a bit ! In the latest revision, all members of Aonyx and as well as the only extant member of the Lutrogale genus (L. perspicillata) are moving/were moved to genus Lutra and here is the proper citation I wanted to add earlier^[1]. - Gimly24 (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Upham, Nathan; Burgin, Connor; Widness, Jane; Liphardt, Schuyler; Parker, Camila; Becker, Madeleine; Rochon, Ingrid; Huckaby, David (3 December 2022). "Mammal Diversity Database (1.10) [Data set]" (Data Set). Zenodo. Zenodo. doi:10.5281/zenodo.7394529. Retrieved 17 January 2023.

I added messages in talk pages of all Aonyx species [two of which had none], aswell as in the Aonyx genus talk page and the Lutrogale genus talk page. Gimly24 (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i'm going to post all the genus of the database in alphabetical order on my talk page. That way i can then find those on this article that are either not in use right now or missing ! Gimly24 (talk) 16:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or you could make a subpage in the project like the one I pointed to above... Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Missing mammal genera - UtherSRG (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, great idea ! I just need to know which is missing, which are redirects and which should be renamed appropriately. Example, Acomys redirects to "Spiny Mouse", which is defined as a genus of mammals. Same goes for [[Aeromys] and Alouatta whom redirects to Large black flying squirrel and Howler Monkey as a genus page. Aswell, some of the valid genuses like Alexandromys are classified as subgenus in wikipedia when they are either newly erected genus or reverted back to genuses. When i'm done trying to link each genus (1347) from the MDD data and noting stuff, i will able to select efficiently those in need to go in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Missing mammal genera thing. Examples of notes i took as of now :

Abditomys --- > It's a redirect, should be restored as a genus page. See comment at the bottom of the listing.

Abeomelomys --- > It's a redirect, should be restored as a genus page. See comment at the bottom of the listing.

Abrawayaomys --- > It's a redirect, should be restored as a genus page. See comment at the bottom of the listing.

Acomys --- > This page should be renamed using the genus instead of "Spiny Mouse" as the title. I do not suggest restoring the genus page with a redirect. Spiny Mouse is well filled and simply need a rename.

Aconaemys

Acrobates --- > It's a redirect, should be restored as a genus page. See comment at the bottom of the listing.

Addax --- > It's the page of it's sole member, the Addax. A short page solely for the genus should be made.

Comment at the bottom of the listing is : "I would also suggest the creation or restoration of genus pages that simply get redirect to their sole member. Some wikipedia pages on mammals species only have a line. Having something like : "Abeomelomys is a genus of mammal. It only contains 1 species : Abeomelomys sevia. Voilà voilà, you got a functional new page and one you can easily modify if more species are added or something else"

I really appreciate the work you did and do, and I count on working with what you did and organized. Simply just after, i made my notes and comments. :)

Gimly24 (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, when the genus is monotypic, it is standard for it to be a redirect to the sole species article, as there isn't anything more to be said about the genus that isn't appropriate to put on the species page. However, if there are extinct species in the genus, then we treat the genus as if it were containing multiple extant species. If you want to make new pages, you're going to have a battle on your hands from a number of editors who will come out of the woodwork and say "That's not how we do things". As fr organizing how to do things, I'd follow the taxonomic orderings... Go order by order, family by family... and not alphabetically. You'll see that some orders or families are handled somewhat differently due to their specific data. If you go alphabetically, you'll fall into some traps of changing things that are set up for these circumstances. UtherSRG (talk) 17:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Primates is my specialty, though I help with all mammal stuff, as well as some other taxonomic areas. I have a full cladogram of the primates in User:UtherSRG/primate clade. Might be of use... UtherSRG (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"So, when the genus is monotypic, it is standard for it to be a redirect to the sole species article, as there isn't anything more to be said about the genus that isn't appropriate to put on the species page.However, if there are extinct species in the genus, then we treat the genus as if it were containing multiple extant species"

Gotcha

"If you want to make new pages, you're going to have a battle on your hands from a number of editors who will come out of the woodwork and say "That's not how we do things"."

I meant restoring the redirect pages into a brief page. But yes, i do understand what you mean and I agree with you.

"As for organizing how to do things, I'd follow the taxonomic orderings... Go order by order, family by family... and not alphabetically. You'll see that some orders or families are handled somewhat differently due to their specific data. If you go alphabetically, you'll fall into some traps of changing things that are set up for these circumstances."

You are right, doing this like you said, will make me do things a lesser number of times that if i break it in multiples steps. I'm going to change my way ASAP.

Gimly24 (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good on ya! :) I suggest making a post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals as realigning is a huge undertaking and should be handled by as many like-minded folks as possible. This talk here is probably not on most project member's watchlists... though I know its on some... Also, post a pointer to the discussion you create on some of the subproject's talk pages as well. This is exciting! UtherSRG (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will look into it after my classes. Cheers. Gimly24 (talk) 17:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Mammal_Diversity_Database_(V.1.10)-1] Upham, Nathan; Burgin, Connor; Widness, Jane; Liphardt, Schuyler; Parker, Camila; Becker, Madeleine; Rochon, Ingrid; Huckaby, David (3 December 2022). "Mammal Diversity Database (1.10) [Data set]" (Data Set). Zenodo. Zenodo. doi:10.5281/zenodo.7394529. Retrieved 17 January 2023.

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