Talk:List of magnetic tape cartridges and cassettes

On 27 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Magnetic tape cassette. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

cartridge or cassette?

Is there a difference between cartridge and cassette? Often they are both used, for example 35mm film is often described either way. It seems to me that in the case of tape, a two-reel system is more often cassette, and one reel more often cartridge, but maybe not. Specfically, though, should DLT and LTO be on this list, or the cartridge list? Gah4 (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some dictionary definitions describe a cassette as only containing tape but a cartridge can have any medium, as in disk cartridge. A specific manufacturer and/or standards organization typically uses one term or the other but that doesn't stop other parties from mixing it up. Some other sources distinguish between a tape cassette as having two reels while the tape cartridge has one reel but there are many exceptions to this rule as in QIC - Quarter Inch Cartridge. That's why the article covers both. So the answer to the specific question is yes they belong here. Tom94022 (talk) 05:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

Types and brand

history starts as "war of the cartidges and reels": RCA Victor Tape Cartridge (later renamed sound tape cartridge, snap load cartridge, quick load cartridge; used 4 track system), minnesota mining andmanufacturing company's scotch quick load cartridge (similar to RCA's) and also their own cartridge system (quite different than RCA's), Bernard Casino's echo matic self threading tape cartridge (that came about 3 years before RCA's) soon afterwards improved by George Eash - Eash's system was called the fedeli pack (or maybe pak) and stereo version used 3 tracks and ran at 7 1/2 inches per sec, Earl Muntz took the general design of fedeli pak, run it at half the speed and split the tape into 4 tracks so can hold 2 stereo programs, Bill Lear (Lear jets) improved upon Muntz's cartridge and split the track into 8 tracks - 8 track system -and now the same tape could hold 4 stereo programs (called Lear Jet Stereo 8). 4 track and 8 track were for a while sold side by side but eventually better quality but shorter leg 4 track were dropped in favour of 8 track. quality of compact cassette wasn't good enough at the time. RCA's 4 track system influenced, was incorporated into reel-to-reel tape recorders (which could now record at 7 1/2 inches per sec and 3 3/4 inches per sec ). Elcaset (3 3/4 inches per sec, 1/4 inch tape as used in reel-to-reel) was a try at combining better quality sound of reel-to-reel tape recorders (than audio casettes had at the time) and a cartirdge system like RCA's; it also has springloaded tape protectors at the top which was uncommon design. [1] [2] DCC (digital compact cassette), is onesided, has some unique features.

Later we have Audio Craft Cassette Cartridge which improved upon Teac O'Casse - both had removable reels.

Speed

7 1/2 inches per sec, 3 3/4 inches per sec (RCA Victor),1 7/8 inches per sec
also the width of the tape decreased as the cartrige and speed got smaller and lower. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information but it doesn't appear to be particularly relevant to this article. Since this information is mostly about audio tape perhaps it could be part of the Tape recorder article which is where Audio tape redirects. Tom94022 (talk) 05:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I must say I am baffled with your statement. How is that relevant? Of course it lacks video cassettes and other types if existed. Didn't get to that point. Imagine if I went to the trouble of editing the article and you deleted it because you "didn't see relevance". I was testing the waters and now lost interest. That would of course need to be spupplemented with history of other types so we would have concurrent development of "Cassette and cartridge tapes". If that isn't relevant to the article titled as it is... Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 06:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article notes there are at least 142 different types of cassettes or cartridges and points to 13 articles in Wikipedia that cover some of them along with links to a site coveralling all 142. IMO details of any one family belong in an existing article or a new article and not in this summary article. If the above material on audio cartridges is added, why stop there? Why not merge in all 13 articles which would make this article too large. I'll add a sentence to make it clear details are in the linked articles. Tom94022 (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of magnetic tape cartridges and cassettes → Magnetic tape cassette – We already have page for magnetic tape and video tape but not a proper page for cassette tape format and their broad history. Considering how many different formats there are, the various uses of the cassette format, and that magnetic tape wasn't just exclusive to magnetic tape cassettes but also used in reel-to-reel machines, I think we should rename this page to "Magnetic tape cassette" to make it a proper page about the format and add more information on it like the other related pages. Adding broader sections on the use of magnetic tape cassettes in audio, video, and data storage. Suriwashi (talk) 05:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a list article. Most of the cartridges and cassettes listed in this list article have there own separate articles so there is no need for a global "Magnetic tape cassette and cartridge" article. Note also the cassette and cartridge are nearly synonymous and that is why both are in the title of this article. Rather than create a redundant global article I suggest our time is better spent creating and/or improving articles for each of the specific ones listed in this list article. Tom94022 (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.