Talk:List of land-grant universities

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How many are there?

The intro says there are 106 land grant institutions, but this list has only 85 (if I counted right, but in any case nowhere near 106). If you include the 31 tribal colleges, the number increases to 116 - again, not equal to 106. Are some institutions missing from this list? What's the right number?

Comments about Land-Grant Colleges

Louisiana Tech University is not a land-grant instituion.

M.I.T. was given land by the state, not by an Act of Congress. Hence, it is not an "official" land grant institution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.78.254.241 (talk) 16:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neither MIT nor NJIT are listed in the USDA land grant universities. USDA partners_list.pdf Tmoy61 (talk) 05:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)tmoy61[reply]

The state having given land to MIT doesn't negate its status as a land-grant institution. It is not a federal grant of actual land, but the mission of the college which determined its status under the 1862 act. article on MIT has more about this, and the article on land-grant universities also explains the definition more thoroughly. 174.52.210.196 (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Calling Cornell University "largely" a public school under SUNY "but also" with a private university attached is misleading at best, and generally inaccurate. Cornell is a private institution with some (less than half) of its component colleges partially subsidized by the State of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.252.120.104 (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The comment about Cornell University, above, is rather silly. The vast majority of students at Cornell are attending the public part that is funded by the State of New York and only a small minority are attending the private Ivy League college there. All of that about "component colleges" is merely a paper distinction and of no real concern. The real concern is, "Where does the money come from to support the vast majority of the students?" Also, whatever a student at a public college pays in tuition and fees, that is only a small minority of the actual cost of his or her education there, e.g. professor's and staff member's salaries, buildings and grounds and their upkeep, utility bills, computer costs, and all of that.
98.67.96.230 (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Facts can decide this Cornell issue. The "public" Colleges at Cornell are known as "Statutory" Colleges. They are: The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS), The College of Human Ecology, (Hum Ec), The College of Veterinary Medicine (Vet) and the NY State School of Industrial and Labor Relations (ILR). According to the Cornell University Factbook ^[1] as of Fall 2016, the enrollment is as follows: CALS-3,569, Hum Ec - 1,215, ILR- 999 and the Vet School accounts for a total of 535 Graduate and Professional students. The total undergraduate enrollment as of fall 2016 was 14,566. Total "public" or "statutory" College enrollment at Cornell as of Fall 2016 is 5,783 which is 39.7% of the total undergraduate enrollment. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

References

^ (http://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/tableau_visual/factbook-enrollment)

Land Grant Status for Private Schools

Cornell University was a private university or college when the Land Grant system went into effect with the Morrill Act and the college received the land. Hence, there is a lack of historical perspective on "arguing about" whether it was a private land-grant college or not. The German word for such arguments is "haarspalterei" = "hair-splitting". Don't do that.
98.67.96.230 (talk) 17:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous Problems and Errors related to this List

The map of land-grant schools is pretty good, but the the legend is a bit lacking. I am not sure what those three symbols with dates are referring to. Is it the founding date of a school? The date it became a land-grant school? Also, I see "D-Q University" on the map, but it is not mentioned elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylanesmo (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gross lack of citations and source references. Many institutions listed are NOT land-grant universities per APLU, etc. Please note APLU membership does NOT denote land-grant status. The USDA publishes a map that shows ALL officially designated land-grant institutions per all three federal acts (1862, 1890 and 1994): http://www.csrees.usda.gov/qlinks/partners/map_lgu_all_front_12_9_09.pdf All individual Wiki pages for each school incorrectly listed here will need to be checked, and any incorrect mention of land-grant status on each institution's own Wiki page will need to be corrected. --Londonfifo (talk) 05:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected California section. Also corrected corresponding Wiki pages for each CA institution removed from the list. --Londonfifo (talk) 05:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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HBCUs listed in italics? There's gotta be a better way

The tiny comment "Note: Historically black colleges or universities on this list are listed in italics," is insufficient to explain to a reader why some of the items are in italics. I notice that those entries are also underneath the others, and not in alphabetical order which I would expect. To a reading editor, as with me, that looks like someone simply added colleges under the existing ones in the list and used a different editing style (in this case, italics for a name). I changed them all and Kgwo1972 reverted it with the edit summary "thanks for cleanup, but italics are intentional; intro says HBCUs are italicized". [1] Not withstanding the waste of my time to fix the page after scratching my head in wonderment, I assert that italics are simply not enough to indicate to the reader that an entry is an Historically black colleges and universities. Perhaps a notation after each entry would be better, even if simply abbreviated HBCU, perhaps put into parentheses like thus: (HBCU). And then alphabetize each sublist. Further opinions? Normal Op (talk) 17:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support your proposal. I wasn't involved with the decision to use italics, I just noticed the note and reverted based on that. The approach you suggest of using a parenthetical makes more sense and makes the page look better, IMO. --20:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC) (unsigned comment was by Kgwo1972 (talk · contribs) 2019-09-23T16:01:42‎)

Reverted POV edits re indigenous people

I reverted several recent "essay" additions that were made today to this article. Such information does not belong here in a "List" article. To place here the information about the effects of the Morrill Land-Grant Act on the Native American peoples would be WP:UNDUE. Such information might be appropriate in the Land-grant university or Morrill Land-Grant Acts articles, or in the article for each particular university. Or maybe a new article needs to be written which you might call "Effects of the Morrill Land-Grant Acts on indigenous people". But it doesn't belong in a "List" article. See Wikipedia:Lists in Wikipedia. Also, several of these "essays" were WP:UNSOURCED. I'm not doubting that injustices happened, just that such long essays don't belong in THIS List article. That said, I have not searched Wikipedia to see if the topic is covered elsewhere and, if not, how best to present the information. Normal Op (talk) 05:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] (http://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/tableau_visual/factbook-enrollment)

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