Talk:List of historic counties of Wales by area in 1891

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this article should be renamed List of Welsh counties by area in 1881 or somesuch. The figures Bart gives cannot have taken into account changes in the coastline since the 1880s, and therefore cannot be regarded as current by anyone. Morwen - Talk 17:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better served if there were multiple sections in one article. It would be especially useful to have a list pre-1844 which would include detached parts. Owain (talk) 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the further back you go, the less accurate the contemporary surveying becomes. What we could do is grab the "ancient county" areas from the 19x1 census - also why not the various geographic county figures from post-1889 censuses? I'd suggest having different columns but Monmouth and Caernarvon here are close enough that they might have different orderings.

I checked, by the way, and there are certainly discrepancies of a few km² against the modern census figures for the 3 Dyfed counties : I haven't tried to account for those with boundary changes at land, but a few acres is a small amount of land measured against a coastline of hundreds of miles. Maybe it would be better to round figures to mile²? Morwen - Talk 21:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I am really concerned about the difference between the Caernarvon/Monmouth figures: in particular their ordering. 1911 Britannica says Monmouthshire is smaller than Caernarvon by quite some way, and though VoB is now down I can't believe they've miscounted by excluding Newport (as it no way was big enough to make up this difference.) Morwen - Talk 21:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This recreated article is as problematic as the last. There is no date given in the article title or copy (a basic element in presenting data in academic writing) and the link to sources claims to be for a gazetteer, but just goes to the VoB home page. Can we get this article up to the standard of List of counties of England by area in 1831 with accurate, descriptive naming and sourced data? MRSC 08:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Right, got the jackpot. Morwen - Talk 08:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That will do nicely. Well done. MRSC 08:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, updated the table. In view of the huge discreprancies for Monmouthshire and Merionetshire between 1891 census ancient counties and bart, I didn't keep the Bart figures there. (1911 encyclopedia britannica gives 427,810 for Merionethshire ancient county, the same as for the 1891 census and roughly the same as the admin county. Bart's figure of 384,717 is lower. You can't just misplace 174 km², surely?.)

Very good. Need to check that these figures match up where quoted in articles. Easy to find by uses of the historic county infobox. And then there is the matter of the Scottish article... MRSC 09:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the usage in articles. MRSC 09:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]