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Alterations to the chart

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An editor has repeatedly changed the order of the chart, putting Frozen at the top of the chart on 29.98 million.

This is how the chart stood before the edits:

Films with earnings over ¥10 billion
Rank Title Gross
(¥ billion)		 Year Ref
01 Japan Spirited Away 30.40 2001 [1]
02 Titanic 26.20 1997 [1]
03 Frozen 25.92 2014 [2]

This how the chart stood after the edits:

Films with earnings over ¥10 billion
Rank Title Gross
(¥ billion)		 Year Ref
01 Frozen 29.98* 2014 [2]
02 Japan Spirited Away 27.64* 2001 [1]
03 Titanic 24.24 1997 [1]


References

  1. ^ a b c d Sudo, Yoko (4 June 2014). "'Frozen' Ranks as Third-Biggest Hit in Japan". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 27 June 2014.
  2. ^ a b "Japan Box Office, August 30–31, 2014". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved September 3, 2014.

 • Amounts in second table sourced to [1] and [2] in the edit summary.

There are numerous problems here:

  1. The sources provided for the figures in the second chart do not back up the claim that Frozen grossed ¥29.98 billion, Spirited Away ¥27.64 and Titanic ¥24.24; the new sources link to dollar amounts on Box Office Mojo, so these amounts look completely fabricated to me. The editor does not say where these specific figures come from and they are certianly not backed up by his two sources.
  1. While the sources he links to do show that Frozen grossed slightly more Spirited Away in US dollars, his own source indicates this does not hold true in Japanese Yen. According to Box Office Mojo, Frozen grossed $249 million as August 31, 2014, which Box Office Mojo says was equivalent to ¥25.9 billion in local currency, while Spirited Away grossed $229.6 million as of March 31, 2002, which was equivalent to ¥30.5 billion at the time. As you can see, due to the dollar being weaker in 2014 than it was in 2002 the dollar buys less yen today! This does not change the fact that Spirited Away grossed more than Frozen, because Japanese cinema-goers pay for their tickets in their own currency!
  2. There are plenty of sources that back up the ¥30 billion figure for Spirited Away and ¥26 billion figure for Titanic: Wall Street Journal, Japan Times, Toho (nb. Japan has a different numerical system so 30.4 billion is written as 304 and 26.2 billion as 262), Box Office Mojo and Motion Picture Association of Japan (again as 304).
  3. Sources do not indicate that Frozen surpassed either Spirited Away or Titanic in Japanese currency: ¥25 billion Hollywood Reporter and Japan Times (July 22, 2014), ¥25.9 billion Box Office Mojo (August 31, 2014).
  4. Sources indicate that Frozen finished THIRD on the all-time list in Japan: Hollywood Reporter (July 22, 2014), Japan Today (August 28, 2014),The Guardian (December 5, 2014), All-time Japanese chart (December 22, 2014, English translation).

Basically what Box Office Mojo does is take the Japanese grosses and converts them to US$ using the appropriate conversion rate. So in 2002 ¥30 billion converts to $229 million and in 2014 ¥25.9 billion converts to $249 million; what the editor is doing is taking the converted dollar figure and converting it back to Yen at 2014 conversion rates which results in a totally fictious number! There is a reason why WP:Original research is prohibited. I have wasted the best part of an hour typing out an explanation that should not have been required, so I hope this permamently resolves the issue. Betty Logan (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Betty Logan:, wouldn't this comprise original research in its purest form? If we're running our own dollar-to-yen conversions and crunching the numbers ourselves, that seems like the epitome of WP:OR. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if this is not clear, in the original version of the chart the original grosses in the Yen denomination are given and sourced. There are no conversions in the first table. In the second version—the version that I oppose—the editor is converting dollar equivalents from Box Office Mojo back into yen, which results in amounts that are significantly different to the original yen grosses. So yes, definitely, the conversions constitute original research. Betty Logan (talk) 16:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Betty that there is no basis for changing the table. The original presentation, based on reliable sources, is the correct one to have. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 15:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)x2 Clearly the chart should be left in the form that accurately reflects the numbers presented. Thanks to Betty Logan for taking the time to lay out the reasons why. MarnetteD|Talk 15:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
C since there are sources provided for each of the entries IMO it doesn't violate WP:OR. MarnetteD|Talk 15:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with BettyLogan. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also agree with Betty. If the other editor was to partake in this discussion and present their rationale, I'm sure we'd be happy to take those points onboard. However, as it stands, they're doing their best to be blocked for WP:3RR. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens needs to be added

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The latest Star Wars film earned 11.53 billion yen in Japan, which would put it at number 19 on the list. Paul Davidson (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adjusted for inflation, or no?

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Is this list adjusted for inflation? If not, is there the possibility of adding a column of inflation-adjusted figures? 80.192.27.175 (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These figures are not adjusted for inflation. If an appropriate inflation index can be found (i.e. Japanese CPI or Japanese ticket price inflation etc) then I personally think it is better to add a second chart such as the one at List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_the_United_States_and_Canada#Adjusted_for_ticket-price_inflation. If you just add a column to the existing chart then important older films may be left out, which defeats the purpose of inflation adjustment IMO. Betty Logan (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Betty Logan: There is a ticket price index published by the Motion Picture Producers Association of Japan (from 1955 to 2021). It would be pretty straightforward to adjust for inflation by multiplying the ticket sales by the current 2021 average ticket price. We could possibly add another column to the box office admissions table with inflation-adjusted gross, citing the MPPAJ ticket price index. What do you think about this? Maestro2016 (talk) 04:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am completely fine with something along these lines: List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_the_United_States_and_Canada#Adjusted_for_ticket-price_inflation. Betty Logan (talk) 06:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll check that out and see if we can do something along this lines here, using the MPPAJ index here in a similar manner to the BOM index used there. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've now added an adjusted gross column to the admissions table. Let me know if we could make any improvements to it. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both

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Should there be a list of highest grossing Japanese films featuring both live action and anime Japanese films I started A draft for it see Draft:List of highest grossing Japanese films [[[Special:Contributions/92.236.253.249|92.236.253.249]] (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in List of highest-grossing films in Japan

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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