Talk:List of highest-grossing films based on television series

Inclusion

Mickey Mouse, Looney Tunes and Wallace and Gromit were originally short films, not TV shows. Likewise, the Lone Ranger was originally a radio show.98.228.137.44 (talk) 12:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

The question is should we include short film series I would include these films Wallace and Gromit debut on television whiles Looney Tunes appeared in theatrical shorts Witch has since be frequenting appeared on tv since whiles a few of the MMU films were actually based on tv seriesFan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 13:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Even if the Looney Tunes shorts later aired on television, they weren’t originally made for that medium. Plus Wallace and Gromit was a collection of short films made years apart, not a television series. Likewise, only about three Mickey Mouse universe films were based on tv shows. As for the Lone Ranger, while some films seem to be based on the television series made after the radio show, it seems inconsistent to include that but not things like Pokémon or Sex and the City, which, while the original source material may have been outside television, the movies are direct continuations of the television adaptations, with much of the same cast, characters, and crew.12.239.13.147 (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I would include these and just look at SITC and we probably should include them as they are based on the tv series directly I look into them later Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Going back to Wallace and Gromit, the original film first aired at a film festival, not on television. As for Looney Tunes, while many of the shorts were compiled into compilation shows usually decades later, that wasn’t their original format and none of the movies are based on any of the later shows specifically developed as television series. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 14:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

How about if we change the opening from this “The following is a list of highest grossing films based on an television series“ to The following is a list of highest grossing films based on an television series and short films. Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 14:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I think trying to extend this to short films would make the page too overly broad, since short films are very different than television series, and it would mean that films like Evil Dead and District 9 would be eligible for inclusion, which are vastly different from movies adapted from TV and sources don’t seem to combine them together into a single list. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 14:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thoese are short films not a series of short films so I would not include them if it is just a one off Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Putting those aside, the short films series weren’t made for television, so it doesn’t seem that they would apply for the list. Looney Tunes and Mickey Mouse shorts were originally made to be shown in theaters as a short presentation before the feature length movie played, which was before televisions were commonplace, so there doesn’t seem to be a way of lumping them with things like Star Trek and 21 Jump Street, which were explicitly developed as TV series. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

To avoid just the two of us talking back and forth, I'll post a notice on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film asking for more input on the scope of the page.98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Just looked into SITC whiles it did originally in a newspaper but the films are a continuation of the television series and should still be count think about this way the live action Transformers films do not count as they are based on toys however the 1986 film does as it set in the same universe and follows the same characters as the 1980s tv series Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 23:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the 1986 film didn't make enough money to make it onto the list. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

This was just a example Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

As an example, the only Mickey Mouse movies directly based on TV shows are DuckTales the Movie: Treasure of the Lost Lamp (based on DuckTales), A Goofy Movie (based on Goof Troop), and Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (based on the show of the same name). Conversely, none of the Looney Tunes movies are based on any of the TV shows. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 04:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

On a related topic, we also have The Lone Ranger, which was originally a radio show. Of the three movies listed in the franchise section, only one seems to be based on the later TV series.98.228.137.44 (talk) 04:56, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I would still include these (in all fairness I can not see TLR sticking with on this page) if we put a not explain that this came of short series) I will look at putting these in notes later when J get a chance Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Again, series of theatrical shorts are too dissimilar to television series to be lumped together with them, and there are no sources listing them together in a highest grossing list. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 14:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Since just the two of us isn't really enough to gain consensus, I posted an RFC on the topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film.98.228.137.44 (talk) 14:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I also removed the High School Musical 3: Senior Year entry as it's not based on a television series, it's a sequel to two prior television movies.98.228.137.44 (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Put a list of films/franchises that you believe should not be on the list and why then we can go thur them 1 by 1Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

It's all the same ones discussed above. Though for what it's worth, people are discussing whether or not the article should be kept here. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I have now redefined the inclusion Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Again, there is no consensus and the proposed definition is too broad and contradictory to what the page's title is: "List of highest-grossing films based on television series", not "List of highest-grossing films based on television series and short series". Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RFC for Inclusion criteria for List of highest-grossing films based on television series. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

RFC for Inclusion criteria

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reposting from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film per comments there.

There is a dispute over whether or not films based on short films like Mickey Mouse, Looney Tunes and Wallace and Gromit should be included on the list, with one argument being that they are dissimilar to television series and another being that the scope of the page could be expanded to include them. Should these be included or not? 98.228.137.44 (talk) 00:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

• Question How do sources on the overarching topic do it? Do those sources even exist? This article looks like a complete WP:SYNTH mess, as noted previously. TompaDompa (talk) 00:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

  The only source I can find listing highest grossing TV show adaptations is Box Office Mojo (though as you pointed out on the project talk page, it has many different genre lists, many of which don't meet notability standards). 98.228.137.44 (talk) 01:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

  If you can’t find RS then no. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 05:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

  This would be an indication that the article should not have been created in the first place. TompaDompa (talk) 11:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

  I would personally suggest nominating this at AFD - this article feels very unencyclopedic and gives off strong OR/SYNTH vibes. Remagoxer ^(talk) 14:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

• Comment There is a clear difference between something that started life in a serial televised format that transitioned to the big screen, and a wider-IP that includes a TV show. I think the latter should be excluded if the page is to survive deletion. Mickey Mouse started out as theatrical shorts, while Wallace & Gromit started out as a short film that was bought by TV. The inclusion criteria needs to be strict, unambiguous, and above all sourced. If the article can not achieve those three things then AfD would be a better place for it. Betty Logan (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete/AFD Looks like an entirely unsourced(*) article on apparently non-notable topic containing 100%-pure Original research, and this RFC is asking us to just plain MAKE UP an article scope and criteria with absolutely no basis whatsoever. Wikipedia's job is to write encyclopedia articles summarizing topics that are already out there, not to do the work of original invention original research and original synthesis pushing new ideas & topics. If anyone comes up with several good refs supporting this article-topic, please ping me and I will revise my response.
  (*) Footnote: Yes I see the existing refs, refs to what are essentially database entries for dollar figures for various movies. But nowhere do I see any refs relevant to the claimed article-subject. I see a ref claiming a gross of $791,115,104 for Mission: Impossible – Fallout, but I see no ref anywhere suggesting that this movie is #1 on this list, or any other list. That is pure original research. I see no ref anywhere even mentioning the concept of films/franchises based on television series. We could similarly have "List of highest-grossing films mentioning cucumbers", "List of highest-grossing films were the number of filming days is a prime number", or "List of highest-grossing films where the leading lady is prettier than the cashier girl at my local convenience store". The number of possible "lists" and "article topics" is infinite. While the proposed topic here is plausible and largely harmless, we have Notability requirements for good reason. Allowing people to arbitrarily invent article subjects would very quickly run Wikipedia into severe and endless problems. Alsee (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

  Comment: The reason I created the RFC was because my removals of those that didn't originate in tv were reverted and I didn't want to cause constant back and forth editing. I don't have much of a stake in whether the article stays or goes, I just figured that if it was here, at least for the time being, it should be accurate to what the title is. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 02:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• They should not be included. The claim appears to be based on original research. As others have pointed out, this article appears to consist of original research. Politrukki (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.