Talk:List of highest-grossing Malayalam films/Archive 1
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Reference bloat
@Nikkznikkinikkz: Is the reference bloat supposed to trick us into thinking that the various data is super-verified? I'm looking at Pokkiri Raja where you added eight references to prove that 1) it was the highest-grossing Malayalam film of 2010 and 2) that it grossed 32 crore. Only two of those eight references say anything about the film being "the biggest hit of the year" or similar.[1][2] (One of them is a slideshow, which is always a weak reference.) The rest of the references I assume you picked because their use of hyperbolic labels like "super hit" and "blockbuster" are somehow supposed to imply "highest-grossing"? None of the other references support the 32 crore claim, which looks like you just fabricated the number. Am I imagining this? Did I miss it from one of the eight references? That's a lot of references to have to weed through, so maybe I did. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Lucifer = 175 crores 103.70.197.174 (talk) 08:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Unsourced sections
I have blanked two sections on the article, Timeline of gross records and List of highest-grossing film franchises. Timeline of gross records uses IMDb as the only reference. IMDb is considered unreliable for any information on Wikipedia and cannot be used as a source. List of highest-grossing film franchises does not cite any source. Please cite each entry if the section is to be replaced. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Gross Collection
The gross collection of a film is the sum of all the money earned from ticket sales during its theatrical release. Please keep that in mind whenever you edit the collection of a movie in this page. i have corrected Collection of Lucifer(200 cr), Bheeshma, Kurup(100 cr+) multiple times. Revenue from other resources are not added for rest of the movies . Tusk001 (talk) 08:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, there must be a source which mentions the gross collection from theatres alone. What's the source for Bheeshma Parvam collecting 87 crore? Or Lucifer collecting 127.4 crore? If you cannot cite a reliable source for these values, the information should not be included in Wikipedia. I will have a closer look at all the sources as soon as possible and will remove the figures which cannot be verified with the cited source. If you have a reliable source from which you got these figures, feel free to include the figures and add the new citation. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing collection
Whoever is keep adding mamangam and madhuraraja as 100 cr please stop doing . The producer himself said mamangam was a flop a few days back ,and from the figures (12 cr for mamangam and 11 cr for madhura raj) that bookmyshow officially announced for these movies , it's impossible to reach 100 cr though gross collection .
So anyone adding or removing please share what made you do it ad well.
Tusk001 (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Updating Collection
I have been considering Twitter, as well as other Malayalam tracking pages and credible websites like Hindustan Times, for updating the collection. It is evident that publications such as Indian Express and Hindustan Times primarily rely on official movie pages and promotional figures provided by producers when reporting collection numbers. This acknowledgment was made by the producer of Mamangam recently. In my efforts to ensure the collection figures are as accurate as possible, I diligently track all these sources, with a particular focus on the tracking figures. However, I am aware that tracking figures alone cannot be considered a reliable reference due to frequent edits, and it may not be accepted by some viewers and fans. Therefore, I prefer to update the collection solely based on trustworthy sources as a reference. This approach may lead to some inaccuracies in the collection figures, but it allows for more effective and manageable updates, reducing the need for excessive edits without proper references.
I would appreciate hearing your opinion on this matter as well.
Tusk001 (talk) 05:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Adding fake collections
@Sudhechishan The recent statement by the producer of "Mamangam" suggests that the reported collection figures were merely promotional and not accurate. It has been noted multiple times on the talk page that the inclusion of inflated collections for "Mamangam" and "Madhuraraja" has been a recurring topic of discussion. It is important to mention that only the gross collection is included on this page, not the total business. Furthermore, it is observed that you consistently add the total business of movies instead of the gross collection. If you continue this practice, it should be applied uniformly to other films as well, rather than solely focusing on movies featuring Mammootty. It is crucial to maintain the integrity of this page as a public platform, rather than a dedicated fan page for any particular actor. Tusk001 (talk) 02:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Why Malikapuram 2022 not in the list. 2001:8F8:183D:F05:F5D0:F6A0:9750:AA56 (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please update RDX collection Mosalah97 (talk) 12:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
RDX should be Number 5
what with RDX collection, it says it collected about 84 crores, but it's not even in this list Mosalah97 (talk) 11:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Dhaneshnair777 (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhura_Raja
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Pulimurugan, Lucifer Collection Reference adding
https://web.archive.org/web/20230609043830/https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/may/16/survival-thriller-2018-surging-towards-rs-100-crore-mark-2575463.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tusk001 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Tusk001 (talk) 07:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- TOI is not reliable per WP:TOI. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. The reference has been removed. Tusk001 (talk) 12:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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Updates need to be maid to the collections 103.161.55.102 (talk) 19:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Lower limit
If we are going to list out movies that have grossed the highest, then, IMO, a lower limit should be set. Either we can go for movies which have grossed 50 crores or above, or top 20 ot 25 movies, like other highest grossing lists. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @The Herald:: 50 cr is a good limit also need to add the top grossing movies prior to 2000 and some records like biggest open day collection, milestones etc. AleksiB 1945 (talk) 07:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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രാജീവൻ1024 (talk) 04:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Malikappuram movie collection 100crore
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 04:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Insert Romancham as the 8th highest grossing mollywood movie in place of Hridayam. 27.57.16.40 (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 13:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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I am writing this cause 2 movies listed here Manjummel Boys and Premalu are in wrong positions so I have to fix them Editorial editor 11 (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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The data is wrong for 2nd and 3rd top movies.
For (2) it's 144.5Cr not 175Cr For (3) it's 128.5Cr not 152Cr
Please CHANGE: 2 Lucifer 2019 Prithviraj Sukumaran Aashirvad Cinemas ₹175 crore (US$24.85 million)
3 Pulimurugan 2016 Vysakh Mulakuppadam Films ₹152 crore (US$22.62 million)
TO: 2 Lucifer 2019 Prithviraj Sukumaran Aashirvad Cinemas ₹144.5 crore (US$20.5 million)
3 Pulimurugan 2016 Vysakh Mulakuppadam Films ₹128.5 crore (US$19.2 million)
Reference IMDB Link: https://m.imdb.com/list/ls092118044/ Tariqm7 (talk) 09:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Manjummel boys
Manjummel boys collected ₹146 crore 2409:4073:4DCF:ED5D:0:0:1549:C00E (talk) 11:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Manjummel Boys is now the highest grossing malayalam movie. StanleyJr33 (talk) 11:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Manjummel Boys became the first malayalam movie to surpass 200 crore 2409:40F2:14F:95B1:7403:D482:D2E7:3BEE (talk) 13:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done I added this to the lead, thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Kayamkulam Kochunni and Madhura Raja
what is the total box office collection of both of these films? their Wikipedia page specifies that both the films gained over 100 crs. whats the true numbers? shouldn't the table be updated if its actually over 100 crs? Credmaster 20 (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Premalu,Lucifer box office error
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Here I want to request to update that the movie 'Lucifer' box office collection is given as 127cr,whereas it is actually 128cr you can check it's official wikipedia page and 'Premalu' box office is given as 135 cr when it is actually 135.51cr, you can check it's official wikipedia page ,please check and change lucifer's box office from 127 to 128cr and premalu's box office from 135 to 135.51 cr. Though this change is small, it is important. Thank You YoMe1234 (talk) 10:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 00:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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I want to state that in this list the box office collection for premalu is not updated yet as it is given as 135cr whereas it's actual box office is 135.82cr</ref>|
gross= ₹135.82crore<ref"'Premalu' Box Office Collections Day 59: Mamitha Baiju's Comedy Flick Collects Rs 31Lakhs'". Times of India (in eng). 2024-03-22.{{cite web}}
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Please fix it as soon as possible. Thank you.
}} YoMe1234 (talk) 08:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Bramayugam's Collection
Bramayugam's 85 Crore collection is its total business, not the theatrical collection. The references already provided are hence inadequate as none point out that 85 Crore is actually from its World wide theatrical run. All other movies in the list is ranked based on their theatrical collection, While Bramayugam's figure is its total business which includes ott and overseas rights. The actual figure is 58.70 Crores.[1] The same mistake can be seen in Bramayugam's wikipedia page as well. If the film actually made 85 crores solely from the box office, then the business collection would have surpassed 100 crores easily and that news would be all over social media (like Neru and Bheeshma Parvam) while none can be seen. So please look into it. Thank You. 59.89.231.250 (talk) 09:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Times of India is not a reliable source per WP:TOI and WP:ICTFSOURCES. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will add six more sources [2] [3] [4] [5] [6][7]. and a video that explains it. [8] In the currently provided sources, the only "reliable" source onmanorama is not stating whether the 85 crores is total business or box office collection and the article is not dedicated about bramayugam either, so it's only a passive mention with no further details. The other one provided definitely is an unreliable source, if TOI is not considered as a reliable one. My question about why 100 crores total business of Bramayugam has never made it to any news or is not shared by the makers of the film still stands. The answer is simple, the movie has never made it to the 100 crores in business collection (which is 85 crores). So please make the necessary corrections. Thank You. 59.89.231.250 (talk) 10:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the sources, but only OTTplay is good source from the list you provided. Others are either blogs or IMDB or primary sources or gossip sites. Currently, the figure 85 crore is per Free Press Journal and Onmanorama, both of which are reliable. Youtube videos aren't reliable either. So, if you can provide better cites per WP:RSP and WP:ICTFSOURCES, we can see. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- All these new sources I believe are reliable and I have seen zeenews in your list provided [9] [10] [11] plus OTTplay link that I have already submitted would prove my point. Even without these I think it's a nobrainer that Bramayugam's theatre collection is nowhere near 85 Crores and I hope you've already got the logic. I also would like to reiterate that onmanorama's article doesn't prove what the 85 crore figure is. Thank You. 59.89.231.250 (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the sources, but only OTTplay is good source from the list you provided. Others are either blogs or IMDB or primary sources or gossip sites. Currently, the figure 85 crore is per Free Press Journal and Onmanorama, both of which are reliable. Youtube videos aren't reliable either. So, if you can provide better cites per WP:RSP and WP:ICTFSOURCES, we can see. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will add six more sources [2] [3] [4] [5] [6][7]. and a video that explains it. [8] In the currently provided sources, the only "reliable" source onmanorama is not stating whether the 85 crores is total business or box office collection and the article is not dedicated about bramayugam either, so it's only a passive mention with no further details. The other one provided definitely is an unreliable source, if TOI is not considered as a reliable one. My question about why 100 crores total business of Bramayugam has never made it to any news or is not shared by the makers of the film still stands. The answer is simple, the movie has never made it to the 100 crores in business collection (which is 85 crores). So please make the necessary corrections. Thank You. 59.89.231.250 (talk) 10:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Malikappuram's Collection is controversial
Both of the citations provided for Malikappuram's collection was based on 2023 articles that were reporting what the producer Venu Kunnappilly claimed. He has made these sorta 100 crore claims on his previous movie Mamangam as well, with no credibility. Manorama in a 2024 article wrote that only five movies have officially got into the 100 crore clubs and movies like Kuruppu, Madhura raja, Kayamkulam Kochunni, Malikappuram etc have been claimed by the makers (without any credible sources). [1] The latest 2024 article as a result supersedes all other articles before it. It is also clear from the article that Manorama doesn't endorse these other movies in the 100 crore club. This same movie was removed from the wiki list a few months back for the same reason. These kinds of changes are also affecting the credibility of this wiki page. So please remove Malikappuram from the list. Thank You. 117.255.182.189 (talk) 07:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Editwarring on 80s and 90s list
@Tusk001 and AleksiB 1945: Please stop editwarring and discuss here before reverting any further. @Tusk001, you already have crossed WP:3RR now. Please be extra careful. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for reaching out. I'm well aware of the three-revert rule. However, I've only reverted twice today, and I've also provided proper reasons for the reverts. I'm open to discussing any concerns you have about the edits and finding a constructive way forward. Tusk001 (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have provided multiple sources now, whats "unreliable" in them? AleksiB 1945 (talk) 14:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, Tusk. The 3RR is not an arbitrary rule. It doesn't have to be exact three times. If there's a disagreement with the content, you have to discuss it with the editor in their talk page or this talk page. You have already reverted them last week too. So if I were you, I'd discuss it first before any more reverts.
- AleksiB, you did a good job adding the list, but as Tusk001 pointed out, the references do not fit the reliability. See WP:ICTFSOURCES to know which all are accepted. Hence, you can't revert terming it as vandalism. Proper rationale has been given by Tusk001 in edit summary. So please go through that. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Noted. Tusk001 (talk) 14:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- AleksiB, you did a good job adding the list, but as Tusk001 pointed out, the references do not fit the reliability. See WP:ICTFSOURCES to know which all are accepted. Hence, you can't revert terming it as vandalism. Proper rationale has been given by Tusk001 in edit summary. So please go through that. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Pulimurugan BO collection
@Tusk001 and Ds1480: Kindly discuss the irregularities here on this thread rather than reverting anymore since you both are entering WP:3RR violation territory with the next revert. Keep in mind about the guidelines at WP:ICTFSOURCES, WP:RSP and WP:RSN. Other page watchers and editors can also pitch in and then a consensus can be formed regarding the box office collection irregularities. Additionally, please go through the talk page archives of this page, Pulimurugan and WP:ICTF to understand the very complex and intricate labyrinth of Indian movie industry that uses promotional box office figures than the actual gross, and how we tackle it here in Wikipedia. Please don't edit war, and consider this as a 3RR warning to both. Thanks and happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The websites that @Tusk001 has cited as references (except Mint & Kerala Kaumudi) have mentioned the movie's collection as 137–144 CR in their recent articles. The movie's total is unclear and may even go below the 135 CR mark <ref>{{Cite web |title=Pulimurugan collection by PinkVilla |url=https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-films-of-all-time-tovino-thomas-set-to-top-mohanlal-2018-pulimurugan-lucifer-1221353 }}</ref>. Providing articles, which I have mentioned above Ds1480 (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- PinkVilla = https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-films-of-all-time-tovino-thomas-set-to-top-mohanlal-2018-pulimurugan-lucifer-1221353
- Asianet News = https://www.asianetnews.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-stars-film-at-rest-of-india-box-office-report-out-mohanlal-pulimurugan-tovino-2018-hrk-s6mlba
- News18 = https://www.news18.com/movies/manjummel-boys-becomes-1st-malayalam-film-to-cross-rs-200-crore-8822388.html
- TIE = https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/manjummel-boys-inches-closer-to-rs-200-cr-mark-globally-50-cr-in-tamil-nadu-9218992/lite/
- Zee News(Malayalam) = https://zeenews.india.com/malayalam/movies/2018-movie-beats-pulimurugan-collection-record-malayalam-multi-starrer-film-becomes-new-industry-hit-after-seven-years-140403 Ds1480 (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Tusk001 Hopefully, you have read the references I have given above. If you haven't, please read it asap, so we can reach a conclusion without violating any more Wikipedia protocols. Ds1480 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've read the articles, and it would have been great if you also read them properly.
- The Asianet News article you mentioned states that 'Puli Murugan' has grossed "more than" 144 crore.
- The article on News18 mentions that they relied on information from the Cue Studio page, which is notconsidered reliable.
- Similarly, The Indian Express article also sourced box office figures from Cue and mentioned they took collection figures from Sacnik also , which are generally considered unreliable.
- Lastly, the Zee News article referenced collection figures from a Twitter post on Forum Keralam, which is undoubtedly unreliable.
- It seems we can reach a conclusion based on the details I have added. Tusk001 (talk) 12:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Tusk001 here. WP:FRUIT applies. So, if two reliable sources (with no FRUIT involved), we stick to a range per MOS:FILM. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ds1480 (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have sent this already. My Wikipedia is being weird these days, so my replies isn't visible for me :/ Ds1480 (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any official figure available from the movie team, apart from the 150 cr poster by the producer?
- If there is any available, can you provide it? Ds1480 (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- After going through the page history and talk pages, I could see Pulimurugan BO's been the source of multiple edit wars. So, I'll do a detailed source analysis sometime this week and will post my suggestions here, as well as on the main article talk page. In the meantime, you may collect sources that are reliable and help out by posting them here. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, should I straight up remove everything I see that uses Filmibeat as its source?
- P.S. Idk why my replies aren't going through. Sorry In advance, if this one also gets chopped up. Ds1480 (talk) 07:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Herald, I misread the notification and replied to the wrong msg. This one was for our conversation about Guntur kaaram. Ds1480 (talk) 08:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, obviously. Filmibeat.com is not a reliable source per WP:ICTFSOURCES. See that table and identify the reliable sources. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- After going through the page history and talk pages, I could see Pulimurugan BO's been the source of multiple edit wars. So, I'll do a detailed source analysis sometime this week and will post my suggestions here, as well as on the main article talk page. In the meantime, you may collect sources that are reliable and help out by posting them here. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have sent this already. My Wikipedia is being weird these days, so my replies isn't visible for me :/ Ds1480 (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ds1480 (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Tusk001 here. WP:FRUIT applies. So, if two reliable sources (with no FRUIT involved), we stick to a range per MOS:FILM. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Tusk001 Hopefully, you have read the references I have given above. If you haven't, please read it asap, so we can reach a conclusion without violating any more Wikipedia protocols. Ds1480 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Madhura Raja
should we add madhura raja into the list as i found a lot of sources (many of them reliable) claiming that the movie did cross 100 crs. one of them is this one: https://www.sacnilk.com/news/Madhura_Raja_Box_Office_Collection_Day_Wise_Worldwide seems like a pretty credible one as it has mentioned the movie's total box office collection without the inclusion of other non-theatrical revenues like satellite and ott rights. so, yah what are yall opinion on this? Credmaster 20 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please refer to WP:ICTFSOURCES to identify reliable sources. Sacnilk.com is not a reliable source. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- @The Herald
- what about these sources?
- 1. https://www.khaleejtimes.com/wknd/bollywood/mammootty-bollywoods-loss
- 2. https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/mohanlal-unveils-first-look-of-unni-mukundan-bruce-lee-6605891/
- 3. https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/mammootty-next-film-title-shylock-shakespeare-5831714/lite/
- all claims that the movie grossed over 100 crs Credmaster 20 (talk) 16:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, they look credible too. But have look at the movie's talk page for similar discussions. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- None of the recent articles support the claim that Madhuraraja earned 100 crores. The articles published at the time of its release were merely based on promotional posts on social media. We've previously discussed the collections of Madhuraraja, Mamangam, and Lucifer. If we include Madhuraraja as earning 100 crores, then we should also consider Lucifer as earning 200 crores and Mamangam as earning 100 crores as well. However, since none of the recent articles mention Madhuraraja, I'm removing it from the list Tusk001 (talk) 07:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I totally support Tusk's decision of removing Madhura Raja from the list. Madhura Raja's final box office collection is most likely around 75-80 cr. Some news portals may report the promotional figures as the official collection, especially the ones that were posted during the period of movie's release, because of its source being from the producers itself. (Unrelated to this topic) Just like Lucifer's 200cr and Mamangam's 100cr, Pulimurugan's 150cr is also a promotional figure, which was given by the producer at that time. There are no official collection figures available for these movies, so we can't really report one amount as the official collection. We should instead use the lowest & highest collection figures available to us, from different trustworthy sources, rather than relying on the promotional ones. Ds1480 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ds1480 alright thank you yall. most of sources does look like promotional figures to me now as you said. wait so is Pulimurugan 152cr also not its real collection? then why is it high up in the list? Credmaster 20 (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources like Asianet News have reported the collection as 140 cr+ in their latest articles. The collection can be anywhere from 134 cr - 152cr Ds1480 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I've referenced regarding Pulimurugan's collection are predominantly recent, with one from 2017 and the rest from either 2023 or 2024. Given this, there seems to be no need for promotional activities during those periods. Additionally, an event organized by the production team celebrated the film reaching the 150 crore mark,(Still available on hotstar ) after completing 150 days of release and just days before the Asianet premiere. It seems unlikely that there would be an expensive promotion at that stage. Pulimurugan performed exceptionally well at the box office, grossing 100 crores in just 25 days and running for over 125 days. Furthermore, it garnered over 12 crores from the Telugu dubbed version. With all these factors considered, it is very unlikely that the film's total collection would be just 140 crores.(means only 25 crores in 100 days of theater run )
- Recent Asianet news post also stat ed that Pulimurugan grossed more than 145 crores,(more than,, not an accurate figure)
- Therefore, based on these arguments and references, it seems appropriate to maintain the collection figure as it is. Tusk001 (talk) 09:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The arguments sounds like WP:SYNTH and inching towards WP:OR. We need exact references which mention the figures and those references should be reliable, independent, must be accepted by WP:ICTFSOURCES and shall not be WP:FRUIT. If a cite says more than 145 crores, the resulting edit should be est. ₹145 crores, not 150 crores (Estimated is the key word here. Which is why ICTFMOS is very clear to use est template in infoboxes). Promotional figures are very common here and the makers celebrate those figures grandly. Noone of it is any proof for actual gross figures. Hence, make sure all those conditions are met. As I said before, of two RS are mentioning two figures, go with the range per WP:ICTFMOS. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources like Asianet News have reported the collection as 140 cr+ in their latest articles. The collection can be anywhere from 134 cr - 152cr Ds1480 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ds1480 alright thank you yall. most of sources does look like promotional figures to me now as you said. wait so is Pulimurugan 152cr also not its real collection? then why is it high up in the list? Credmaster 20 (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I totally support Tusk's decision of removing Madhura Raja from the list. Madhura Raja's final box office collection is most likely around 75-80 cr. Some news portals may report the promotional figures as the official collection, especially the ones that were posted during the period of movie's release, because of its source being from the producers itself. (Unrelated to this topic) Just like Lucifer's 200cr and Mamangam's 100cr, Pulimurugan's 150cr is also a promotional figure, which was given by the producer at that time. There are no official collection figures available for these movies, so we can't really report one amount as the official collection. We should instead use the lowest & highest collection figures available to us, from different trustworthy sources, rather than relying on the promotional ones. Ds1480 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)