Talk:List of fires and impacts of the 2019–20 Australian bushfire season

This article was nominated for deletion on 24 January 2020. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Hi Nickw25

May I suggest you move this article back to your sandbox until you have some content in it.

You might also want to engage in the discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Fires, redux.

I have removed the link from 2019–20 Australian bushfire season. I think it is a bit premature to be linking in an empty article.

Also, please note that you are missing some fires from your list I think. At least one for example is the Myrtle Mountain Road fire.

Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 13:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the first two tables here could be collapsed into one

I am not sure we need the names of the individual fires. I think naming fires makes sense for firefighting but not to our readers. I think locality is a sufficient level of precision to show what has been impacted. I had also thought that we could add the coords for the localities and add a GeoGroup template to get a map showing the full extent of the fires. I'll go and add some coords to demonstrate what I had in mind. Kerry (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While certainly not all, or even a majority, I think a lot of people will know the names of some fires. I know here that people still refer to some fires by name, years after the event. Also, and perhaps critically?, if this article, or a derivative in some form, is used as a reference as per Page Help Needed below, then I think we must include fire names. Aoziwe (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Page Help Needed

This page was requested by the volunteers of the Blue Shield Australia committee. (Australian Committee of Blue Shield International). It's been difficult to quickly get a comprehensive list of Towns and Councils affected, as it crosses so many state borders and the National Agency was only established a few weeks ago. We really would appreciate experienced Wikipedia editors transferring the information and citations from the main page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Australian_bushfire_season into these lists. These lists can then be used in the future (and is publicly available) for a range of projects, etc. Thanks in advance from a very inexperienced wikipedia newby! Librarian001 (talk) 07:10, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some suggested improvements

If editors are going to expend time on this article, and I suggest such is appropriate, whether it is here or moved to daft space as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fires and impacts of the 2019-20 Australian bushfire season, it would be best if we can get as much value out of it as possible I think.

Please feel free to add further points and-or comment.

In separate subsections to facilitate discussion: Aoziwe (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add a point of ignition column to the List of fires of the 2019-20 Australian bushfire Season table

This at its most course would the relevant LGA, better would be the eponymous feature and its coords.

Add a fire name/s column to the Impact to towns of the 2019–20 Australian bushfire season table

Currently there is no means of cross linking with the fires table above.

Add a fire name/s column to the Impact to National Parks of the 2019–20 Australian bushfire season table

Currently there is no means of cross linking with the fires table above.

This is approaching the subject in a way that's inevitably extremely difficult to verify, given the lack of common usage of most of the fire complex names and the lack of information about ignition points this data may not exist and will likely be left reliant on obscure internal sources at best. It's one of the most unhelpful and labor-intensive ways we could approach this but we're stuck because of a couple of people going "keep! keep! keep!" while refusing to engage in any way with why the specific approach of this specific article is a problem. But hey, if you must spend your time on this unhelpful hot mess, be my guest. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure that I have spent any real time on it. I was trying to get those who are spending time on it to make their time more value adding for the long term. As per my post at top, and at AfD, I think this article is immature ... Aoziwe (talk) 11:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]