Talk:List of diplomatic missions of Brazil

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Discussion at WP:FOR on formatting and content of "List of diplomatic missions" article

There is now a discussion at WP:FOR on the formatting and content of "List of diplomatic missions" articles. As this discussion ostensibly could affect this article, editors are encouraged to provide their opinions on the WP:FOR at this link - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_International_relations#Formatting_of_diplomatic_missions_lists - please do not discuss on this article talk page as valid points for consideration may very well not be seen by editors at large. Thank you, --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 00:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niger and Togo

People insist on putting Niger on the list and taking Togo off. I work in the African Division of the Ministry, for Christ's sake! I should know better if we do or do not have Embassies in this or that country! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charada13 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of China (Taiwan)

Brazil does not have diplomatic relations (a pre-requisite for a diplomatic mission) with the Republic of China. Note the following extract from "Joint Communiqué Between the People's Republic of China and The Federative Republic of Brazil on Further Strengthening China-Brazil Strategic Partnership, Beijing, 19 May 2009" [1]

"V. President Lula reiterated Brazil's commitment to the one China policy. Brazil recognizes the government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government representing the whole of China and Taiwan as part of China. President Hu Jintao expressed high appreciation of Brazil's principled position."

I have amended the list accordingly. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 11:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Ministry of External Relations of Brazil: "It should be emphasized that, although it does not maintain diplomatic relations with Brazil, Taiwan is allowed to have Economic Offices in Brasilia and São Paulo". Brazil also maintains an Economic Office in Taipei. [2] Limongi (talk) 13:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vice-consulates

User Aquintero82 has been removing several vice-consulates from the list, stating that they are honorary consulates. That is not correct. First, let me point out that vice-consulates are not the same as honorary consulates. That said, the Ministry of External Relations of Brazil and its embassy websites, clearly state their general consulates, consulates, vice-consulates and honorary consulates. Regarding the ones that are being constantly removed by this user, I will post the references:

Ministry of External Relations of Brazil: Complete list of Consulates and Vice-Consulates

Embassy websites:

So please stop removing sourced material from the article. Limongi (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New embassies

In 2010, Brazil opened 17 new embassies: Afghanistan, Albania, Belarus, Bhutan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burma (Myanmar), Cyprus, Estonia, Fiji, Monaco, Nauru, Nepal, Palau, Samoa, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands and Tuvalu. (Refs: Yahoo! Brasil, O Estado de São Paulo) Limongi (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the link (very interesting). None of the missions (either the proposed missions of Kabul, Tallinn, Minsk and Sarajevo, or the other missions which apparently have already opened) appear in the relevant list on the Brazilian MFA website. The author of the article, Rafael, seems to be incredulous that Brazil would have missions in places like Nauru (an island of 11,000 in the Pacific). One might think that a mission would actually be opened in Afghanistan ahead of Nauru, not the other way around.

It could be that Rafael has made a mistake. He could have read this Gazette (can you find a link to the relevant page?) and has mistaken a proposal for extra embassies as an established fact. The absence of corroborating information on other websites, especially the MFA (Google "Brazil opens embassy" and find out) makes me doubt Rafael has the right facts.

I think that some missions may be opened, given Lula's ambitious plans to expand Brazil's diplomatic reach, but I suggest we wait until any expansion is confirmed on the relevant website. Kransky (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's universal or just Brazilian diplomatic parlance, but if you look at the text of the decrees creating new embassies, they actually use that expression ("creating an embassy"), but at least at first, it's always a non-resident embassy. For example, the 2013 decree creating the Brazilian embassy to South Sudan (in Portuguese) even mentions that the embassy is in Juba, the South Sudanese capital city, but it also explicitly says that it will be cumulatively operated from the Brazilian embassy in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. The above comments are from 4 years ago and since then, of the 17 embassies mentioned, only 6 have become resident (Albania, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Myanmar, Cyprus and Estonia). The others are all still non-resident (e.g., Afghanistan is served by the Brazilian embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan; Sierra Leone is served from Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire; Palau from Manila, Philippines; and so on).

So, if the Brazilian government announces that it has "opened an embassy" somewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean that you will find a building in that country's capital city hosting a Brazilian embassy, which would merit an inclusion on this article's list. It may be cumulative with the embassy to another country, usually (but not always) a neighbouring or close one. The ambassador to that third country and possibly some of his/her staff will occasionally or periodically visit the other country(ies) under his/her jurisdiction, in order to make official contacts and take care of local Brazilian citizens' needs - but for all legal purposes, Brazil has full diplomatic relations with that country (which has practical implications for Brazilian travelers, because Brazilian passports state that they are "valid for all countries with which Brazil has diplomatic relations"). For example, the Brazilian ambassador to Kenya is also the Brazilian ambassador to Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda, and the Brazilian ambassador to Australia is also the Brazilian ambassador to Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, Fiji and Nauru. This is very common in diplomatic practice.

For that reason, I have created a new section in this article listing all of Brazil's current non-resident embassies, which I extensively researched in many on-line sources (not always easy to find). It is interesting to note that the entire American continent is already covered - all sovereign countries in the Americas, even the tiniest Caribbean island nations, have actual resident Brazilian embassies. --UrsoBR (talk) 18:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]