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Brief criteria for fighter Additions & Releases

A fighter may only be on this list uncited if their profile appears on Bellator.com. If any credible online source reports of a new addition to the Bellator roster it must explictly state that fighter was signed or will appear in a upcoming season's tournament. A fighter will not be listed on this page just for appearing on the promotions card (main or undercard). As Bellator often signs fighters to one-fight, non-renewable contracts. Once a fighters profile appears on bellator.com roster, any citation will be removed. If at any point the profile is taken off bellator.com (once it appears), it will be taken as a release of contract and taken off this page as well. Also, if news come about on a credible source of a fighter being released from contract, signing exclusivly with another promotion or one's retirement, they will then be taken off this page. Bhark85 (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MMA Records

Shouldn't we be listing the fighter's Bellator records here, since that is a strong indication of how they have done in the promotion?(Justinsane15 (talk) 05:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]

For what it is worth to anybody wondering why I dont have the Bellator records here I'll list the answer I gave on Justinsane15 talk page:

Thanks for your interest in this page. The reason I’m reluctant to have the fighter’s Bellator records on the page now is that the company is still primarily a tournament based organization. Where after a season’s tournament takes place unless you’re a Champion, tournament winner, or tournament runner-up of the division the fighters from the tournament are then furloughed or contracts are not renewed. Its in the “champions clause” of the contracts the fighters sign with Bellator. (And there‘s examples of 1st & 2nd round eliminations still being resigned back to the promotion as well.) After a season is done and the division is “liquated” (sort of) they then resign new talent for the next season’s tournament which may be 7 guy’s that are 0-0 in Bellator, along with last years runner-up, tourney winner and maybe also the champion, provided that it not the inaugural event. At this point I just don’t to list the division’s by Bellator record when the majority of the guys beginning the season will be 0-0. It not to say, I won’t ever consider doing that in the future if they end up keep more and more talent around after each season. Bhark85 (talk) 21:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hear hear, I also would point out that because Bellator does not have the same win or get cut attitude that the UFC has, in house records are less meaningful. The whole point of list the UFC records is that it gives someone glancing over the page an opportunity to see how someone is doing in the UFC and whether they might get cut soon. With Bellator, because of the often unknown status of many of their fighters, it's much more important to have their overall record as a sign of how good they are, and/or why Bellator decided to sign them in the first place, rather than how well they've fought in Bellator. I would honestly argue that the UFC is the only organization for which listing the org. record is more important than the overall record.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 06:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am starting to reconsider this. Seeing the Bellator records would show one fighter's standing within the organization. I will continue to think about it, and if I do change it up it wont be until after Season 4, and maybe before the Summer series begins. Bhark85 (talk) 19:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

This is a super gray area, so I'm just throwing this out there, not trying to direct, but honestly I just want to hear thoughts about this since you went a slightly different route than I did. With nicknames like "Ais the Bash" I didn't include the "Ais" part as I felt that it was less a nickname and more just a shortening of their actual name. In my case it was "Mack da Menace" Sermerzier; I just left his nickname as "Da Menace". Of course the real kicker to all this then is that somebody like Megumi Fujii totally screws my format, since her nickname is very clearly "Mega Megu" and listing it as otherwise would just be stupid. I just thought I'd see what you thought about this, as it might apply to "Toby" Imada, as it's once again less of a nickname than a contraction.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 17:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it took awhile the respond to this. I took a look at what you did with the nicknames, and I have no problem with the way you set it up now. Think we may have to play it by ear for a bit as a "case by case" situation. Maybe when someones first name is the beginning part that leads into the rest of the nickname such as "Mack Da Menace" or "Ais the Bash" we'll leave out the shortening of the first name in the "sort" feild (for lack of a better term now). Then in cases when the nickname precedes a first name (or shortening of), such as "Mega Megu" we can leave it altogether in the sort. Then in cases like "Toby" Imada, we'll just leave it as is since it pretty much like the format for guys like Mirko Crocop & Check Kongo that you have on your current UFC Fighters page. We'll list the name their best known by then list it as a the nickname in the appropriate column. This may be only as good until the next creative nickname comes and throws a curveball our way. I'm always open to other ideas if you or anybody else would have them. I'm not going to "enforce" the nicknames too strickly but I do beleve we should have a concrete format we can apply to these 3 simular pages (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator). Bhark85 (talk) 23:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to add Joe Warren's "The Baddest Man on the Planet" nickname, because while he is rarely introduced in ring as such, he uses it very often self referentially and is often introduced by commentators as such. It's sort of the same as listing Akiyama's "Sexyama" nickname, or Yve Edwards "Thugjitsu Master" nickname.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works fine with me. Bhark85 (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

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Here's a new coding trick I learned for improving article quality. I've been making sections like this under each weight class to provide more visual pop to the page. It may be more difficult to find good photos of bellator fighters, so I'll leave the idea of implementing it up to you, but it's kind of a nice touch. Thaddeus Venture (talk) 17:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, I've got some updateing to do on this page first. But I'll take a look @ what Bellator photos I can find which will look good. Bhark85 (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zach Makovsky released

http://themmareport.com/2012/12/bellator-releases-former-bantamweight-champion-zach-makovsky/

Mike Richman to Bantamweight Division

Is somebody going to add him to that division, or am I just not understanding the way you guys moderate this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bl1tzkrieg1940 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent signings section?

Should Bellator's roster page have a recent signings section like the UFC roster page? FistsOfFury123 (talk) 21:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added a recent signings section for fighters that Bellator has signed from just this year. Wanderlei Silva, Max Nunes, Satoshi Ishii, etc. I'm sure I missed a couple of fighters but I'm scouring through the entire roster to make sure I didn't miss anyone. I'll be making some improvements to UFC's roster page as well here shortly. SimilarCreatures (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section headings

I'm not sure if section headings such as "Heavyweights (265 lb, 120 kg): 25 fighters" is a really good idea per MOS:HEAD. I'm not sure why only the weight class name isn't being used. Right now, every time a fighter is added removed to a particular weight class, the heading is going to be changed like it was done here, here, here, here, and here . Section headings should be fairly straightforward and stable, and constantly changing them might create problems when it comes to linking. The number of fighters in each class and the weight for each class would be much better included as text within the section and not as part of the heading. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can think of no good reason to put the number of fighters in the section header. The header should remain constant and not need to be changed every time a fighter is added or subtracted. Papaursa (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can think of a whole lot of bad reasons - linking only being one of them. Reverting right away.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Papaursa and PRehse: Thanks for taking a look and fixing the headings. Is there something wrong with simply naming the subsections "Heavyweights", "Lightweights", etc.? Just curious. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing - section headings should be minimalistic but I figured if I changed that too there would be blowback. On the other side it is useful to say what the weight division is so if not the header somewhere else.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. I was thinking that a single sentence at the beginning of each section could be added which could kill two birds with one stone. Something listing the weight-range of the class as well as the number of fighters currently in the class. I thought that would be much easier to edit then the section heading since there would be no need to worry about breaking any links, etc. I do not regularly edit these types of articles other than for the occasional bit of clean up so I not sure if there's any WikiProject preference regarding this type of thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That would be ideal. For these lists putting down the number of fighters is a little spoon feeding. I mean the numbers are not high and people can count - but what can you do.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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