Talk:List of cosmological computation software

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Contested deletion

This article should not be speedy deleted as lacking sufficient context to identify its subject, because... (your reason here) --Unatnas1986 (talk) 18:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC) the reason given behind speedy deletion is that the article is too short. The fact is that I am in process of writing this article and I will finish the writing the article in next few days. The final article will definitely not be too short. In this article I try to list out all the codes widely used by cosmologists. It will be very helpful for the people to know about Computation Cosmology. I find similar pages on Wikipedia about computational particle physics. However, there are no page on cosmology software. Therefore, I take the initiative.[reply]

Proposed Deletion

It was objected that the article has no reference. The page is not finished. I am adding the references, categories and other parts. Also I am improving the page. So the deletion notice is removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unatnas1986 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Goals of this article

I have several problems with the current state of this article that I would gladly fix, or at least I would like to kick-start this process.

Contents in this article

At the time of writing, this article primarily focuses on software associated with CMB simulation and cosmological parameter estimation. It overlooks, for instance, N-body codes and both hydrodynamic and MHD codes, which are crucial for simulating the LSS and finer structures. The article also omits mention of initial condition generators. Furthermore, frameworks used in cosmological research, like the EinsteinToolkit/Cactus/etc. could also be included here, given the necessary (cosmological) context and description for them. This is by no means an exhaustive list; there are many other cosmological software out there too. I'll add more section titles to the article that I find important, mainly those that I mentioned here.

However, cosmology is and extremely vast field with dozens and dozens of software used by cosmologists every day that I don't know of. I invite everyone to expand this list with new entries and even with new sections in the future.

An appropriate introduction

Even in this form, an introduction that starts with a general description of the CMB is not appropriate and out-of-place for an article titled List of cosmological computation software. Given that new sections are created, it will require the complete rewrite of the introduction.

Instead of the current intro, I suggest the following:

First, the exact goals of this list should be stated concisely, optimally in a single sentence. E.g. "This List of Cosmological Computer Software catalogs the tools and programs used by scientists in cosmological research."
Then, it could be followed by a general, but still short introduction to simulations in cosmology that could serve as the context to this topic. It could answer questions in a nutshell like: "What is the scientific/technological rationale behind the use of cosmological software in general? What are they used for? Etc. This should be less, than 6 sentences. Although most of the "List"-type articles on Wikipedia do not contain information like this in their introductions, it could be reasonable to have it here, at least until a dedicated article for computational cosmology isn't created on Wikipedia in the future.
Finally, a general outline of this list could be provided here, along with an explanation why it is ordered in a way it is. I don't find this necessary though.

-- Masterdesky (talk) 19:27, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]