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This page is in pretty sad shape as of 6/13/06/ Eighteen pieces? Please, work on this. What about divisions into major artistic eras, what about discussion of difficulty grading, what about discussion of "popular" (e.g., Galway playing Flight of the Bumblebee) vs. "concert" (e.g., Hindemith Sonata) pieces, what about division into flute alone/flute & piano/concerto/chamber music categories? Actually I think I'll put that in. 160.39.27.109 22:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Adam[reply]

Time to Pare It Back

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I realize the poster above asked for more orchestral excerpts, but it has now gone a bit overboard. "Beethoven Symphonies 1-9"? Could you be a bit more specific? Its well known that flutes have been part of orchestra scoring since the late 18th century, but you don't have to list every piece. Isn't there a shorter list that have more memorable flute solos or concertante aspects? Also, the concertos should be removed from the sonata list and put in their own list. No list of flute concertos?!? That's a list one expects to see on a list like this -- not that orchestral excerpt list that contains any piece where you might be able to pick out a flute (if you listen real close).DavidRF 20:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picsou123: The answer to your tautological-sounding question would certainly appear to be "no". I suspect the lists here have been padded by obscure or minor composers attempting self-promotion. It would be a different matter if the article were about a rare instrumental combination. Since it's mostly about common instrumental combinations, we should restrict ourselves to famous (actually famous) examples. If you or another flutist would begin by listing those pieces mentioned here with which you are familiar, we can begin by investigating the remaining pieces. They should probably be easily obtainable, and they should probably have been recorded (ideally multiple times). TheScotch (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no question that this list is bloated beyond its stated limits. However, those limits are rather vague (what is the threshold for "famousness"?). The first of your own suggested criteria, for example, "easily obtainable" is rather elastic: in the bins of every sheet-music shop (are there even sheet-music shops any longer?); available free for download on the internet; published in a deluxe, morocco-bound, gold-stamped, hand-copied limited edition to anyone with really deep pockets? Recordings are more objectively verifiable, but not necessarily the whole story. There are highly difficult, virtuosic pieces (for example, those by Brian Ferneyhough) which are not going to appear often on recordings (and scarcely ever on school recital programmes!), and yet are prominent in the repertory because they have been championed by the few flautists who actually can play them; then there are easy, attractive, but rather superficial pieces which are performed often (and for that reason of course do belong on this list) but do not command the same level of respect from flute players. It would be well to set out some ground rules before wading into this thicket with a scythe.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome, if it's a thicket, it needs a scythe (or a just a stick--"A thicket's no trick. Is it thick?....The quickest is pick it apart with a stick."). Anything deleted that shouldn't have been can easily be returned. I can't see how in hell we would ever come up with absolute criteria, but common sense, it seems to me, says we don't really require them. If we hold out for absolute criteria, we'll never make any progress at all, and this article will remain a swamp (which is how I would metaphorically characterize it) of festering shameless self-promotion. It won't be a tragedy if we miss pieces that should be included. The way I would proceed is simply to come up with a core set that most flutists (unfortunately, I'm not one myself) interested in this article can roughly agree upon and then carefully examine the remaining candidates and any candidate that someone may introduce later (I can participate in this part). It seems logical to me to try to err on the side of exclusion.TheScotch (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it is a subtlety too far, but I did not say a scythe was not needed, nor did I ask for "absolute criteria"—merely some ground rules. From your response, I might conclude that you are advocating a "scorched earth" policy: delete everything in the list and then wait for other editors to try adding them back in—at their peril. Somehow I can't believe this would be a productive strategy.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed that many other instrument repertoire pages are titled with "repertoire" rather than "repertory." In order to maintain consistency, I'd like to change this page's title to "Flute Repertoire." There is an article called "musical repertoire" that lists various links to other repertoire pages on Wikipedia, where you can see that this page is the only instrumental page using "repertory." That terms seems to be used more so in theater, so I believe "repertoire" is more accurate and stylistically appropriate for Wikipedia. --Blanketburrito (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think I did the move incorrectly, it is my first time! I will return next week and do it the right way this time. --Blanketburrito (talk) 16:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flute repertoire

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This article, List of compositions for flute, was until yesterday Flute repertoire (as discussed in 2017) and looked like this. Sources for the pieces lost in the process are wanted. For composers from previous eras, these may only exist offline. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

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Suggested additions with reference links below each bullet point.

Add to "Solo Flute" section:


Add to "Flute and Other Instruments" section:


Add to "Flute and Orchestra" section:

Msavannah44 (talk) 16:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestions! Is there any secondary sources covering these pieces that show that they are notable within the literature? We can not use sources like the Hal Leonard shop or ASCAP listings. Why? I Ask (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some other sources. Please let me know if these are the correct types of sources, or if I should provide something else as reference. Thanks!
Acrobats official recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZu9CWg9_4
Capricci - "Hummingbird Romance" selected performances:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMFAkpdH1UU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia_dFM-Q0EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFHbSb-6zv8
Plea For Peace is mentioned in Arcana and on the "Auditions" CD. There are also many videos of it being performed:
https://arcana.fm/2020/12/13/augusta-read-thomas/
https://www.amazon.com/Auditions-Various/dp/B085K85QSH
https://www.jenniebrownflute.com/video/plea-for-peace-augusta-read-thomas/ Msavannah44 (talk) 17:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
YouTube and Amazon are not reliable sources. I meant something more as in a mention from Flute Music by Women Composers: An Annotated Catalog (ISBN 978-0-313368318). You know, actual books or scholarly articles that discuss her work. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I wondered if you might take a look at a similar edit request here [1] in relation to the same user, which I had suggested might be okay but I now suspect may not have been. Your input would be much appreciated, Axad12 (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Axad12: Yeah, I would remove them. These lists should not contain every piece written for flute, or else the pages could literally span several thousands of entries. The mere existence of a piece, even if a composition by a notable person, is not enough. There needs to be reliable sources detailing that this piece is notable, whether it is a review or dissertation. The Flutist Quarterly often has reviews for new pieces that could be used. But as it stands, I would not add any of these. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input here. Could I ask that you undertake the removal. The reason I ask is that I have previously turned down requests from this user and I have also deleted a large amount of unsourced material from the article on the composer (Augusta Read Thomas) after looking at it after dealing with those earlier requests.
I do not want to give the impressions that I have an agenda.
(P.S. I am not knowledgeable in this subject area, and simply removed the material because it was unsourced and to some extent promotional. However, it would appear that you are knowledgeable in this subject area so you might perhaps have a look at the article on the composer and see if you think the current content is appropriate.)
Many thanks for your help here, much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Encoded  Talk 💬 07:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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