Talk:List of compositions by Johannes Brahms

- Gus ^{(T, C)} 2011-10-26 22:55Z

Improving "List of compositions" articles

Following Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_music#Improving "List of compositions" articles we are working on a prototype User:LazyStarryNights/Lists of compositions by Johannes Brahms with the intention of replacing the current by Opus and by Genre articles by means of a merge into Lists of compositions by Johannes Brahms. If you may have comments or help on this, could you please raise it the on either one these talk pages? LazyStarryNights (talk) 23:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

See my rather lengthy posting (and revival of this apparently 6-year old dead(?) subject) on this User's Project Talk Page at User talk:LazyStarryNights/List of compositions project. Includes suggestions on merging and table-converting the Brahms lists. Saguaro-sun/chuckstreet (talk) 03:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Page Move deleted History

A recent page move by JalenFolf to this page, appears to have deleted the history already existing here. This needed to be preserved, per WP policy. Is there any way to restore it? The history was from prior to 2011, the last time this page had any activity; after that it sat with a redirect until today's page move. The History for the old by-genre page is still there, but only goes back to 2011, the date that page was created. The History for the old by-opus page has been moved (per the page move today) to this page, but apparently over the top of the existing History, rather than by adding to it.
Chuckstreet (talk) 18:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

It's worse than that. As of right now, there's no list at ALL -- the article just redirects into itself and the list itself is completely missing. The genre list from before the merge still exists though. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 05:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I just noticed; I'm pissed. I just yelled at the Admin who did it: User:Anthony_Appleyard. He really screwed up. I just made extensive edits, all gone. And what really bugs me is I can't UNDO: the entire Edit History is gone too! The new Admin deleted it, just like the Admin from yesterday that I posted about above. Edit histories are required to remain intact for copyright reasons, among other reasons like restoring a page after a blanking like this. So now the page can't be restored.

The genre list was already merged into the opus number list yesterday (before the move); it shouldn't even be there. The two were combined into a sortable table (both by genre and opus), which I worked very hard on for two weeks, and then it was moved back to the original page (this one). That redirect you see here now is what was on the by-opus page after the successful move yesterday. The problem is TWO Admins did the move, one yesterday successfully, one today obliterating yesterday's. What a mess!

Oh, the Admin yesterday didn't know what he was doing, and reverted my merge: I put the redirect on the genre list after blanking it, as the help page instructions say to do, and that dummy reverted it: that's why you see the genre page back again. Sheeeeesh!

Chuckstreet (talk) 06:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Chuckstreet: I noticed your message on my talk page. I think I've fixed it all. Graham87 09:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Bold in lead

I'd like to open a discussion about the bold in the lead. Currently, the lead states The following is a list of compositions by the composer Johannes Brahms. However, according to MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD (aka Beatles), if the title is stated in the lead but is separated, meaning that it is absent in whole, no part of it should not be bolded. If we want to avoid redundancy and link the name of Johannes Brahms, we should not bold any of it due to MOS:AVOIDBOLD; instead, we should keep the status quo link and remove the bold. UnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 04:03, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

This discussion should really be posted to WikiProject Classical Music or the Composer sub-Project or one of those Project's Task Forces, since you are commenting on literally hundreds of articles in the composer worklist category, instead of posting a link to this comment each on hundreds of worklist pages as you appear to be doing. Or if your suggestion is all across WP, for all titles in leads, I believe the appropriate MOS talk page would be where you would bring this up.

By the way, just FYI, for all the classical music composer worklists, the bold is status quo as well. It's pretty much been standard for over a decade on all the worklist articles, and follows not only the general guidelines in MoS, but the Project's own style rules as well (yes, we have our own!) That's not to say some lists are out of compliance: those just need to be corrected. This one, Brahms, is currently in compliance, and all others should match it. But if you want to propose a major change such as you are saying, that applies to all worklists, that's a question for the project community who manage and watch these lists. BarneyFiver (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

OK. Didn't know about the precedent. UnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 20:41, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

sorting out chaos

Recent revisions of the article have led to numerous comments, notably here. Please look at these carefully before carrying out any major edits. It would be best to discuss them here before carrying them out.--Smerus (talk) 09:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)