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Unincorporated communities and localities sections

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per Hwy43's suggestion = "rural communities" with comments...

I don't know why the Gazetteer lists things differently than BC Names (as BCGNIS is known now), I'd though the latter was based on the former, apparently not. Anyways here's the full given list, with comments as to what muni they are in; the "classed as a city" re Abby is deceptive, as that listing I'm sure was only about the old Village of Abbotsford around Essendene & South Fraser Way. Some of these were once rural, now decidedly urban or suburban.Skookum1 (talk) 08:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given the number of entries either in municpalities, or which are decidedly not "rural", it calls into question the citability of the BC Gazetteer.....BCGNIS's terminology for each maybe is considerably more updated; some of these the "rural" designation is incredibly old. The lede for this section needs rewording, obviously.Skookum1 (talk) 08:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General discussion

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Skookum1, thanks for bringing these observations here. As you may have seen through the article history, a considerable amount of effort was undertake in December 2012 to improve the article to its current state, and things may get messy without structure and collaboration to further improve. I appreciate you entertaining my suggestion to post your observations here for discussion. Hwy43 (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given that BCGNIS' Feature Types & Definitions has no entry for "rural community" (just "community"), and that when we search for any supposed "rural community" here we find it is classified as "community", not "rural community", I think first and foremost it is okay to strike "rural" on this article. I'll comment on the other stuff later today when I have more uninterrupted access to the computer. Hwy43 (talk) 18:11, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My first major sweep is complete. I'll return again later to sweep the IR observations and tackle those not yet addressed. Looking like next weekend. I may or may not look at all the other topics below in the meantime. It will be another busy work week with other commitments in the evenings. Hwy43 (talk) 04:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really shouldn't be procrastinating from work, but I have grabbed the following open data sets and have overlaid them all in GIS:

Gazetteer BC's named places from DataBC;
Aboriginal lands (IRs) within BC from GeoBase; and
census subdivision boundaries from StatCan.

I therefore should be able to quickly confirm the locations of these communities, like I just did for Alexis Creek. Hwy43 (talk) 04:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now confirmed the locations of other communities that had comments provided by Skookum1. I'll return to "Done"/"Not done" them later. Will be looking at some of the below in the meantime. Hwy43 (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Abbotsford

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Based on this, I suspect this "community" entry is intended to represent the former village (pre-1972), or less possibly the former district (1972-1994), and not the current city (1995 to date). Would "former village within the amagamated City of Abbotsford" work? Hwy43 (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, something like that......I'm from Mission so it's all strange now, calling Matsqui Village or Bradner "Abbotsford", which used to be very specific (though included bits adjoining the Village e.g. towards Huntingdon; Clearbrook had a precise boundary though, usage-wise (wanna say McCallum Road no that's not right; at the crowfoot intersection at the top of the hill on South Fraser Way (Essendene within the VoA), whatever it's called. Now it's all "blurred"....Clayburn and Abbotsford are not the same to me, ditto Huntingdon or "Matsqui" in its proper sense (Matsqui Village and Matsqui Prairie). As if Maple Ridge had been renamed Haney (even though Haney was always part of MR).Skookum1 (talk) 02:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dual IR/community names

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There's probably a few more on here that I haven't noticed, but "Squilax" is the native name for Chase, though not the Village of Chase itself; it's the reserve. Another is D'Arcy, which is also Nequatque or Nequatqua or variants; these are places where native communities overlap with IRs or there are dual names; the problem with merging them or redirecting them to each other it's a loaded question which is the most common use, or if there's a definition; many like Alkali Lake also have non-native land and residents included in the name.....Squilax would be the name of the rancherie (the native residential area, usually the older one if there's newer ones though some like Xwisten (Bridge River Band) have newer rancheries), and the IRs of the Chase Band are the land; Mt Currie's native name is Lil'wat but that's not in common use, even natives will say Mt Currie, and it's another example where the IR lands are only part of the placename.Skookum1 (talk) 03:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definitions problematic

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I understand you're using only BC Govt Gazetteer (/BC Names) definitions, but they're in error in many of the cases of the things categorized by them. This change obliterates my observation that many of these localities ARE abandoned.....some never even had populations e.g. Othello. Sheslay and Taku are only seasonal hunting/fishing camps......some of the Haida villages have been abandoned long before the IR system (Kiusta, Haina). BTW "Sunnyside" isn't just in Surrey, it's the part of Port Moody between downtown and Ioco, also......I see there's two Mud BAys and such, which Skookumchucks of the many I'll have to figure out....does the Gazetteer list latlongs for locations? (which is one reason I suggest the table for location details including lat longs), like how the List of Indian reserves in British Columbia is done.Skookum1 (talk) 04:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will not be responding to this at this time. Let's park it. If this talk page continues to be carpet bombed with new discussion items expecting a reply, I will never get back to continuing to resolve the above item. Hwy43 (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The "observation that many of these localities ARE abandoned" is unreferenced. Is there a reliable source that confirms the observation? I think this is moot however. The definition says "named place or area, with or without a scattered population." The key term here is without. As a locality that is abandoned is a locality without a population, I am seeing that the definition therefore covers the observation. Hwy43 (talk) 05:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Some of those are definitely still inhabited, I'll look at the listing again, not sure if I can find cites about current habitation.Skookum1 (talk) 07:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Things not in the list

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the Gazette/BCGNIS/BC Names doesn't cover a lot of places, for some reason; the first one that comes to mind is New Vancouver which is a Kwakwaka'wakw reserve....Hope Island I think. There's a few more I remembered earlier, they're not in my head right now, will mention them here later.

Parking this conversation for now per above. Hwy43 (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Starting a list of things not on this list at Talk:List of communities in British Columbia/Sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 05:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Localities abandoned etc.

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The government definitions are not exclusive, nor are they sometimes valid or up-to-date; Phoenix for example is no longer abandoned, it's a ski resort. The section definitions if held strictly to what your one source (the Gazetteer) says are not accurate.Skookum1 (talk) 05:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parking this conversation for now per above. Hwy43 (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The ski resort is Phoenix Mountain and is over a kilometre away from the abandoned Phoenix locality. Hwy43 (talk) 05:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have a friend from Greenwood/Grand Forks I'll ask him what's there; I suspect the town isn't completely abandoned.Skookum1 (talk) 07:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Section for erratics and dupes

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This is not meant to be a convo, just a notepad as to what needs checking/attention/dab resolution

  • Just looked at New Brighton, British Columbia which I'll fix up a bit; I'd put in the list that it's part of the City of Vancouver but this article is for the place on Gambier Island (or Keats?). New Brighton in Vancouver was just north of where the PNE is and was the terminus of the Douglas Road from New West, and was a small resort owned partly by George Black, who was Gastown's first butcher and owner of the Sunnyside Hotel; there were three or four hotels/guesthouses....it's now New Brighton Park.Skookum1 (talk) 05:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Hwy43 (talk) 06:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Per above, listed in sandbox for now. Hwy43 (talk) 06:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sarita, British Columbia is in BC Names/Gazetteer as a "landing" (formerly Sarita River and Sarita Bay), even though I know it's an inhabited place (IR community but without an IR at that spot; they got badly damaged in the 1964 tsunami and have received funding to move the village, which was located on a sandbar). Why I'm mentioning it here is that other "landings" were also inhabited but apparently not shown as communities; that included some large canneries and their populations at various places.Skookum1 (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what to do with landings yet. I'll investigate in due course. Hwy43 (talk) 06:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's tons of them....a lot were canneries, some were lodges; again, like IRs and former POs and former Indian villages, a whole 'nother series of entries in BC Names (which isn't searchable by community/PO etc only by name) and the Gazetteer (which can be sorted that way. In some cases these are more notable than things that are in the unincorporated list, and far more than many of the localities.Skookum1 (talk) 01:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re Salmon Arm

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Like Abbotsford, the City includes "itself" as a former stand-alone community within the City. Of its other annexed areas, only Canoe stands out in my mind but there's others.....

 Done Hwy43 (talk) 18:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To this day, in the Central Fraser Valley, if you say in Mission or Langley "I'm going to Abbotsford" you mean the old core, what had been the Village of Abbotsford....if you were going to Clearbrook, you'd say that; and if you were going to Matsqui Village or Bradner or Clayburn you'd say that too, you would'nt say "I'm going to Abbotsford". Not familiar enough with Salmon Arm to make those comparisons; User:The Interior is in Vernon, but he just quit.Skookum1 (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cariboo, British Columbia

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The one I'm most aware of just now is Cariboo, British Columbia which is the same as Lamming Mills, British Columbia, but there's others; how to qualify this in the current list format I don't know.Skookum1 (talk) 07:51, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I believe you subsequently found out and expressed below, Cariboo in this list refers to a community within Coquitlam. Hwy43 (talk) 06:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and as I explained there, it's not a common name in wide use; nor is the one up by McBride; and City of Coquitlam itself, which coined the name, styles it Burquitlam-Cariboo. In that area (the Lower Mainland) "Cariboo" will mean to most people Cariboo Hill/Cariboo Road, which is a mile or two west of the Coquitlam-designated neighbourhood name. Your use of STatsCan listings to annotate/label a list of localities/communities laid out by BC Names/the Gazetteer is mingling sources using different parameters.Skookum1 (talk) 01:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BC Names places Cariboo as the old name for Lamington Mills, in the Robson Valley between PG and McBride. Your federal census name reference for the "Cariboo" as they style it in Ottawa, apparently, is more commonly - properly - named as Cariboo Hill and/or Cariboo Road (after the street which runs down from East 10th to Government Road); Cariboo Road is kinda more in Burnaby, not sure if Cariboo Hill is. Cariboo in Coquitlam?? Trying to think where that would be, I think they must mean around the old Cariboo Trail Hotel, long-gone, which is on North Road just off Lougheed. I don't understand why you're using Census names when BC Names is the authoritative one that is cosynchronous, or supposed to be, with the Gazetteer. I"m gonna look up CGNDB and see what they have; right now on the list you've used the Coquitlam one, wherever the hell that is; within the Lower Mainland that name is associated with Cariboo Hill/Cariboo Road, not with Coquitlam. If the list as yhou compiled it is from the Gazetteer, doesn't it stand to reason that a corresponding provincial source should be used, rather than one from the statisticians in Ottawa.....who have no idea where they're talking about, often enough.Skookum1 (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I suspected, it's a new name for the area south of Austin Ave towards the Fraser/New West boundary, south of Burquitlam, and named for the Cariboo Shopping Centre, which is where the name came from, and also the name of the now-vanished Cariboo Trail Hotel (and its beer parlour...). The City of Coquitlam designates the area as Burquitlam/Cariboo in their official neighbourhood planning and statistical compilation (in that PDF) and you can call this original research but I know the area well, and "Cariboo" in that area is going to get people assuming you mean Cariboo Road/Cariboo Hill. That may even be an officially Burnaby neighbourhood I'll check. WP:MOSTCOMMON applies, though in the case of Cariboo, British Columbia on this page, the locality, it isn't for either one of these, it's for the one in the Robson VAlley, where the railway point still has that name, in fact. Either you stick with the intent of one source and use related sources to lay it all out, or you mingle another source in that doesn't recognize at all the other two places; though CGNDB does. Query here for "Cariboo" and note there are three results as "unincorporated areas".Skookum1 (talk) 15:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, all of BC Gazetteer, GeoBC and StatCan utilize Cariboo and all refer to the one located within Coquitlam. To further clarify, I am relying on BC Gazetteer for names, not StatCan, and I have not altered any BC Gazetteer names to those published by StatCan. In fact, I've found the names between the Gazetteer and StatCan to be 100% consistent to date (probably because the former feeds the data to the latter). I thought it was obvious, but to be explicit, I'm simply using StatCan to validate locations of the BC Gazetteer's entries. As for common name for the locality within Coquitlam, I'm seeing from the link you provided that Coquitlam uses "Cariboo" rather than the two others you refer to (see map on page 4 of 30). In my opinion, Cariboo, British Columbia should be a dab rather than a redirect with two entries: Cariboo, Coquitlam and Lamming Mills, British Columbia. Hwy43 (talk) 06:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think there might already by Cariboo (disambiguation) because of Cariboo Plateau, Cariboo Regional District etc as "Cariboo" is, I think, the region article.Skookum1 (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mission in unincorporated list

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I think the "community" listing that's being used shouldn't have a section title that it does; because of things like this. "Mission (community)" was incorporated for a very long time and was already incorporated when this list was generated; unless the Gazette groups these as "unincorporated", which I doubt it does, our section heading shouldn't be using that. I haven't looked to see if that might be an old entry for Mission DISTRICT, rather than Mission City but its latlongs might suggest that it does (if it's north of 16th Avenue it is).Skookum1 (talk) 07:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned above, the Mission within the Communities subsection refers to the urban core of the District of Mission, which is the former Town of Mission City. Hwy43 (talk) 00:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

how to dab Dog Creek?

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There are two, one the Indian reserve/ranch community on the Fraser opposite Gang Ranch, which is listed as a "community", the other is a "locality" just south of Ft St James. Dog Creek, British Columbia should (?) already exist for the former....but how to dab the latter if it ever does have an article (unlikely; redirect to Omineca Country or Ft St James maybe)....Dog Creek (Omineca) though tha'ts more of a geographic object than a settlement dab?Skookum1 (talk) 08:13, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually two Dog Creek "communities", one Dog Creek "locality" and four Dog Creek "IRs" (numbered 1 through 4). One community is ~58 km south of Williams Lake. The four IRs are all within a 12 km radius of this community. The second community is just outside Williams Lake's southern city limits. The locality is ~17 km south of Fort St. James, just inside Bulkley-Nechako F. Hwy43 (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I know. The primary usage is the community with the four IRs around it, that's the Dog Creek on the Fraser opposite Gang Ranch; we haven't started dealing with integrating IR names with community listings, that's a whole separate discussion/project though I've done a few where they're worth redirecting; I think you did the same with Anahim Lake, but the question here was how to dab the one in Fort St James; the main one is obviously still Dog Creek, British Columbia.Skookum1 (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the region designator for the one near Ft St James is the Omineca Country and its region cat; I'm not sure this is attached to any IR, but if it is, using an electoral area or regional district category or descriptor is not appropriate; RDs have no authority over IRs.Skookum1 (talk) 01:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are three in BC Names, two communities, one a locality. The primary use is for the one near the mouth of Dog Creek into the Fraser, opposite Gang Ranch, with attendant IRs of the same name. The other "community" rated one is just south of the City of Williams Lake....it may be on IR, I'll check the maps. The third one is a locality just south of Ft St. James. Not sure how to dab those; the Williams Lake one maybe Dog Creek, Williams Lake even though it's not in the city proper. Dog Creek, British Columbia should definitely be the one by the Fraser.Skookum1 (talk) 02:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Westview

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Geez, I'd thought this was for the neighbourhood in North Van....but it's near Powell River...might be part of the City of Powell River, BC Names doesn't say. There was also Westview Subdivision in Chilliwack.Skookum1 (talk) 08:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Westview within the Communities subsection is within the southern portion of Powell River. There are no other instances of Westview in the database. I notice how Westview's name is official at GeoBC whereas Westview Subdivision's is not. Hwy43 (talk) 01:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, BC Names doesn't list the North Van neighbourhood.....it should be listed on North Van's district page; I know it's there, I lived there. Westview Subdivision, isn't that the same as the Westview in Powell River; I noticed that too, I think they even have a slightly different latlong. BC Names isn't complete by any means, as the person running it would also attest (I know her), e.g. Gold Harbour, British Columbia and Surf Inlet, British Columbia aren't on these lists, yet they both were large places (Surf Inlet not so much as Gold Harbour). Lots of places are missing from BC Names/Gazetteer, and many that are significant places still are listed among the abandoned ones, for example.Skookum1 (talk) 01:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Franklin Camp

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There are two, one an old mining camp on the Granby River in the Boundary Country, the other an old MacMillan Bloedel camp near Sarita on Vancouver Island; it had a post office ("Franklin Camp" PO) so must have been a fair sized population; the PO at the one on the Granby was "Franklin PO" so either that could be Franklin, British Columbia to distinguish the two, or Franklin Camp could be a mini-dab with Franklin Camp (Vancouver Island) here and Franklin Camp (Boundary Country) here as the individual disambiguations.Skookum1 (talk) 09:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only seeing the one ~34 km northeast of Bamfield. Hwy43 (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is the Franklin Camp east of Sarita on Vancouver Island; "former locality/Official", This is the one on the Granby River in the Boundary Country] and it's a "former locality/Not official". Maybe there's only one in the Gazetteer? Both have histories, both need articles.Skookum1 (talk) 01:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Added the "not official" Granby River one to the sandox. Hwy43 (talk) 06:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fairview(s)

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Not sure, maybe I deleted a dupe when transferring the list to the talkpage; unclear as to which the Gazetteer may be referring to here; both are just 'community' in BC Names, one is the Vancouver neighbourhood, the other is Fairview, British Columbia just west of Oliver.Skookum1 (talk) 03:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are two Fairviews - one within Vancouver and one just outside Oliver. Hwy43 (talk) 01:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I know, I created the Okanagan one when I was living in Oliver for a while ;-). Fairview, Vancouver strikes me as probably already existing as an article?Skookum1 (talk) 01:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grandview and Woodlands

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The stand-alone "Grandview" in the list above is south of Cloverdale in Surrey. There's also Grandview Bench near Mara Lake - also listed as a community. Woodlands, British Columbia isn't the location of the old mentally handicapped school/residence in New West but is on the west shore of Indian Arm, I guess past Indian River, British Columbia which is reachable (now) by road from Deep Cove. No separate listing for either of the two parts of Grandview-Woodlands in Vancouver, though "Grandview" is definitely a working neighbourhood-name in Vancouver; Woodlands I'm not sure what is meant by that name actually, i.e. in that area, maybe like Grandview based around a school by that name, or Woodlands Drive I guess.Skookum1 (talk) 03:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not much of a comment I can offer here, but within one of your observations embedded above, it looks like we've confirmed that Woodlands is in the District of North Vancouver. Hwy43 (talk) 03:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did a bit of work on the North Van locality/community article in re that; but the Woodlands in New Westminster, the former mentally handicapped home/school, is now a residential development, or part of its grounds are; I haven't looked on New West's site yes to see what it has to say; that area may be designated part of Connaught Heights, though I usually think of that as from 8th up to 10th and around that side of 8th, not below it.Skookum1 (talk) 03:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ruskin

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Just looking on the District of Mission website (search for "Ruskin") and although I've found things proving it's in Mission, no particular cite listing it as a neighbourhood. Though most of Ruskin-at-large's population may be on the Maple Ridge side of the boundary (dubious because of the large trailer parks just inside the boundary near Ruskin Dam), over half of the area of the Ruskin PO (V0M 1R0) is in Mission. I know this because I was raised at Ruskin Dam and went to Mission for school. And know that boundary well. Hopefully something on the DoMission site will suffice for a cite for you; it grates me to see it only mentioned as part of Maple Ridge.Skookum1 (talk) 09:24, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still haven't looked at the DoM site, but googled just now and found various links which describe Mission as including Ruskin; BC Names says "east side of District of Maple Ridge" but says nothing about Mission; nor does the StatsCan page for the Mission-Abbotsford CMA, which is strange but not surprising. Anyways here's some links [1], [2], this one seems to be a pastiche of Wiki copy and is a company site anyway so not usable, this mention of "Ruskin townsite" refers to the old Hydro townsite which is just east of the municipal boundary and was the "company town" for Ruskin Dam; note that Langley 2, Langley 3 and Langley 4 are all inside Mission and are part of Ruskin (one is the location of the Ruskin trailer park mentioned in some cites, which is just south of the Ruskin Dam townsite, though another trailer park = the big one where the Ruskin Drive-In Theatre was, I'm not sure if it's on IR or not, I'll look later, Downtown Mission website, mentions Ruskin as being in the District, Mission's website, Ruskin Park is the playground inside the Ruskin townsite, on Ruskin Crescent, this is a table/map looks like also from the DoM site, another DoM site on flood preparedness. Will look now on the DoM site and see if there's any list of named neighbourhoods; I'd think so but.....Skookum1 (talk) 02:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The southern of the two trailer parks is not within an IR, whereas the northern one is in an IR (Langley 2) as you indicated. I've assumed the northern one is the Ruskin Trailer Park. Do you know where is the Ruskin Townsite is in relation to the Ruskin TP? Hwy43 (talk) 04:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think I figured it out. I think the townsite refers to the subdivision that includes Rusken Crescent and Reedal Street midway between the TP and the dam. Hwy43 (talk) 04:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it does....I'm not sure I've ever known the name Reedal Street before LOL there was no signpost, it's very short, led to Broadbent's and Nielsen's places......Ruskin Townsite or Ruskin Dam is how we'd refer to it; not sure what the name of the trailer park now on Langley 1 is, that reserve's boundary is the southern boundary of the townsite, though the property right on the north side of it is a few decades older than the townsite as such, as is also the case with one property on the NE side of the townsite which used to be a fishing lodge. "Ruskin" still includes places farther up Wilson Street all the way to and including parts of Dewdney Trunk Road; mostly above the dam we might say "Upper Ruskin" though in the Maple Ridge context that also refers to the highland area on 280th and its side-streets; up to but not including Whonnock Lake, which is part of Whonnock (which is mostly 272nd and side streets and the area along the highway of course). The boundary of Mission-Maple Ridge is not in the middle of the Stave River, but is actually the shoreline up as far as the old Drive-in Theatre, where it traverses the land, partly following 287th as far as the boundary, then follows whatever meridian northwards from that point; the right side of the road from the big trailer park northward is in Mission, the places on the left (west) side of the road are in Maple Ridge; their eastern property lines are the boundary, which diverges from 287th/Wilson past the last of them.Skookum1 (talk) 04:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cannery towns and "landings"

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List_of_canneries_in_British_Columbia is incomplete but relevant as communities; most were cannery towns/camps......some things listed as "Landing" in BC Names/Gazetteer, such as Sarita, were/are definitely communities, though not name as such; inclusion criteria here shouldn't be limited to the "community" and "locality" parameters, in other words; the list of "landings" also needs a going over. As noted somewhere, many "localities" have never been inhabited and/or may only be railway points. And not sure all "former localities" are in the list, Brownsville isn't, and there's "native villages" which show up in BCGNIS/BC Names which aren't accounted for yet.Skookum1 (talk) 03:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the 80 landings within the database to Talk:List of communities in British Columbia/Sandbox for the moment. Hwy43 (talk) 04:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Brownsville, British Columbia - former locality

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not sure why this didn't come up in the Gazetteer since it's in BC Names; just created the article, including a section on what BC names labels "Former Indian village". That parameter should probably be used to search the Gazetteer for more. Have combined the white settlement vs the native one in the same article in the Brownsville case, this isn't always done but seems pretty much necessary here; or not; Skookum1 (talk) 07:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Added this to the first section at Talk:List of communities in British Columbia/Sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 04:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Park Royal

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Park Royal is in London UK, and is the namesake of the one in West Van. Park Royal Shopping Centre article exists, but Park Royal is also the name of that neighbourhood within West Van; I'd think it's official but haven't looked at West Van's site for info yet; Park Royal, West Vancouver may be a better dab than Park Royal, British Columbia which could be a redirect; other West Van neighbourhoods probably also need adding, I'd think Sentinel Hill, West Vancouver or Sentinel Hlil, British Columbia would be the title; it's just uphill from Park Royal and where Sentinel Secondary School is.Skookum1 (talk) 08:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If notable, Park Royal, West Vancouver would be the appropriate article title per CANSTYLE, and Park Royal, British Columbia could be a redirect as you suggested. Hwy43 (talk) 05:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's decidedly notable.....one of West Van's oldest original neighbourhoods; between Ambleside and the Cap River basically, up to about halfway up Taylor Way. I just checked the district's site, can't find listings of communities or neighbourhoods; maybe in the North Shore News or another source there'll be a possible cite.Skookum1 (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you haven't already, look at West Van's Official Community Plan. It may refer to Park Royal and other neighbourhoods specifically. Hwy43 (talk) 06:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

other localities - "Former Indian villages" and "landings"

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as occasionally noted e.g. "abandoned Indian villages" and "landings" there are other inhabited or formerly or seasonally inhabited localities in BC Names; one such is Caribou Hide, British Columbia aka Metsantan on the Spatsizi Plateau, one of the first settlements (according to BC Names/BCGNIS sources cited) of the Sekani people; I'm about to create that article, as it's an interesting item (and pretty much the only human settlement/feature of any kind for 100 miles at least..... For things not assigned by the Gazetteer perhaps there should be a section "other localities" or??Skookum1 (talk) 03:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just found that Keeshan is listed as "Former First Nation village" (actually a fortress), so that's another parameter to search; other entries have "Indian" instead of "First Nation". It should maybe be moved to "Keeshan" the romanization for the Nuu-chah-nulth "Kiix?in".Skookum1 (talk) 07:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the 4 former Indian villages within the database to Talk:List of communities in British Columbia/Sandbox for the moment. The database doesn't contain any "former First Nation village" entries, and such isn't defined. We should note these entries separately in the sandbox as well. Hwy43 (talk) 05:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hm that's odd, pretty sure Kiix?in is listed as "former First Nations village" in BC Names, this probably is another case where what's in the Gazetteer and what's in BC Names don't quite jibe.Skookum1 (talk) 06:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah here is the BC Names with that designation for Keeshan/Kii?in.
Kiix?in (Keeshan) now in sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 06:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found one that doesn't have "Former" on it, just "First Nations Village", coincides with an IR of the same name, at the mouth of the Klinaklini River "Tsawatti (First Nation Village)".Skookum1 (talk) 08:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another "not official" one. Added to sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 06:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prairiedale

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I just looked this up, BC Names says "on the NW side of Vanderhoof "District Municipality" but that's not clear enough wording to say it's in Vanderhoof District.....maybe just beyond the border, other cites needed.Skookum1 (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is beyond the border by nearly 2 km. Hwy43 (talk) 05:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hammond/Port Hammond in ToL??

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The ToL site says that?? I think of it as being in Maple Ridge, though BC Names says Pitt Meadows....I thought it was off 203rd, one of the "express" bus routes through it at night, guess it's farther west. Across the river from it is part of the Township of Langley, kinda north of Walnut Grove and on the west side of Derby; but I've never heard of it being part of the ToL.Skookum1 (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is within Maple Ridge according to the Port Hammond article. When overlaying BC's place names GIS layer on StatCan's census subdivision GIS layer, Port Hammond is just inside the ToL's northern border (outside Maple Ridge's southern border) in the middle of the river, just like how it shows as being in the middle of the river at its GeoBC entry. Probably just a spatial tolerance thing with differing map projections between the two GIS datasets or the spatial point being plotted inaccurately. Doesn't solve the GeoBC entry explicitly saying it is within Pitt Meadows though. We'll need to find sources within the Pitt Meadows and Maple Ridge official websites to confirm which municipality it is within. Hwy43 (talk) 05:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
here is a googlemap showing it decidely east of the Golden Ears Bridge and therefore decidedly inside Maple Ridge.....I'll let BC Names know of the error. Maple Ridge's southern border is the middle of the Fraser River, sounds like a rounded latlong is the reason for showing it just south of that. It's definitely NOT in Langley.Skookum1 (talk) 06:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rounding of the latlong could very well be the culprit. Hwy43 (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I got a reply from BCGNIS/BC Names this morning about that, she's amending the Port Hammond listing to read Maple Ridge.Skookum1 (talk) 04:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done as the amendment already appears to be live. Hwy43 (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

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I've redirected Porteau, British Columbia to Porteau Cove Provincial Park as there is no reason for a locality article here, Porteau is just the BCR/PGE Station name, can't remember the provenance of the name, as I recall it's not actually French, not a family name anyway; there's also a Porteau Mountain, named for this place it seems, north of Gold Bridge. Many others like the sub-parts of Salmon Arm (South Canoe) and Prince George (e.g. Island Cache) maybe we should just redirect to the corresponding city/location name; in South CAnoe's case maybe this can be to Canoe, British Columbia if not to Salmon Arm. As far as adding locations as you've done with the Fernwood on Saltspring, Beaver Point, British Columbia is also on Saltspring, as is Fulford Harbour and Vesuvius Bay. The Saltspring Island article may already have sections o them, as also with Ganges, British Columbia and so they could be redirected there maybe.Skookum1 (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ganges and Long Harbour have articles, don't think the others do (yet).....Beaver Point could be redirected to Ruckle Provincial Park, which comprises the lands in question and is where the old PO was.Skookum1 (talk) 08:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll leave it to your discretion. For Alberta's rural and specialized municipalities last year, I created redirects for every single locality that didn't have an article to their applicable municipality article, then added a list of localities to a pre-existing community list. See Woodlands County, Alberta#Communities and localities and its redirects. Hwy43 (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Foreman maybe part of PG

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Prince George, like Kamloops, has greatly expanded modern boundaries; this is down the Fraser slightly but might be inside city limits, see here.Skookum1 (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Across the river in this location is outside city limits within Fraser-Fort George F. Hwy43 (talk) 06:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Lake - two items

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There's on in BC Names that's a community in the Peace Country, I just created it Kelly Lake, British Columbia and it turns out the prov park at the other notable Kelly Lake, near Clinton, is Downing Provincial Park, though there is also a "locality" listing in BC Names. I've added both to the Kelly Lake disambiguation page. Might be that "Kelly Lake, British Columbia" should be a mini-dab, since the provincial park one is far better known and though there's some residents there, and I think there used to be a PO, or a general store at least, it's definitely a locality, but the prov park article is really all there is about that place. Think there was a ranch other than the Downing's too, not sure.Skookum1 (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ferndale

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don't know why BC Names doesn't list the one in Mission.....much more well-known than the other up by Mt Tabor/PG.....definitely a major area of Mission...and notable for being the location of the Municipal Hall and also of the name of one of the two prisons there (the medium security I think; there's another westwards that maybe has the Ferndale name but it's really in what Missionites call Cedar Valley or maybe Cherry Road/Cherry Hill.Skookum1 (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've let BC names know about the missing "Ferndale" entry for Mission.Skookum1 (talk) 04:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
At what point do your inquiries to GeoBC become harassment? ;o) Hwy43 (talk) 06:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
She's not as insecure about being corrected as too many Wikipedians are; she always thanks me, and provides me more tidbits...her job is to welcome input and corrections, not resist it or dump on it or the people providing it......Skookum1 (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

East Wellington

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Cite from BC Names says "N side of Westwood Lake, within City of Nanaimo, Mountain Land District" but I'll take your word for it re the Electoral Area, is that on the regional district page?Skookum1 (talk) 06:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Like the Port Hammond situation, it is possible that a latlong rounding error or an inaccurate point placement could explain why the GIS shapefile shows it just outside Nanaimo despite its GeoBC entry. Hwy43 (talk) 03:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let BC Names know.Skookum1 (talk) 04:54, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Hwy43 (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ruby Creek partly in District of Kent

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The Ruby Creek 2 IR is not, but look up the District of Kent's website for their map; the article I wrote for it says "in the District of Kent" because of that.Skookum1 (talk) 06:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Harrison Mills and Kilby definitely are too; if Mount Woodside is listed it is too (top of the Agassiz Mtn stretch of Highway 97, plus some new subdivisions); Kent Prairie doesn't seem to be listed, though it's a "place" within Kent also. Seabird Island rez I think is too, though of course separately governed.Skookum1 (talk) 06:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the overlay of GIS shapefiles, Ruby Creek is showing up in Fraser Valley B on the southside of the river on St. Elmo Road, 500 m beyond Ohamil 1 (Ohamil 1 is within the northeast corner of the District of Kent). Google Earth shows the same.

Harrison Mills is showing up across the river to the northwest on Highway 7 in Fraser Valley C, while GeoBC indicates the same in its "relative location" description. However, Google Earth shows it within Kent at the junction of School Road and Kennedy Road.

Anything published by the District of Kent that confirms otherwise for one or both?

GeoBC does not have entries for Kilby and Mount Woodside as communities, localities or the like. Hwy43 (talk) 06:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Former POs

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this is another category within the Gazetteer/BC Names that are/were "communities", most don't also have "community" or "locality" entries; an example is Brechin, which is within the City of Nanaimo.Skookum1 (talk) 07:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The database extract provided by GeoBC doesn't include former post offices. When I requested the extract, I requested an extract of the "not official" entries in the database as well. They replied that "listing of unofficial place names is not available". Without, it would be a struggle to come up with a complete list of former post offices. I'll add a "Brechin" entry to the sandbox in the meantime. Hwy43 (talk) 03:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quinsam

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There are two entries for this name, at different locations. The rescinded "settlement" one is south of of Campbell Lake, the other, presumably the one meant in the Gazetteer, is within the City of Campbell River. The first one, I'm pretty sure, is the old Quinsam Coal company town, and should have its own entry as a ghost town/company town.Skookum1 (talk) 02:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another "not official" one. Added to sandbox for now. Hwy43 (talk) 03:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Quinsam Coal was either a company or project name, as I recall quite a bit of politics/history associated with the mine/company.Skookum1 (talk) 04:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stillwater(s)

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The "community" is on the Sunshine Coast, the "locality" is in the Wells Grey Country near Myrtle Lake; needs two entries. There is also a "recorded" locality in the North Thompson area.Skookum1 (talk) 06:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stillwater Flats added to sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 04:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gifford

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Not in the list above but on the Localities section in the article, Gifford is in the City of Abbotsford, immediately south of Matsqui Island on the old BCER line (now the Southern Railway of BC).Skookum1 (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Added "within the City of Abbotsford" to Gifford's entry in Localities section. Hwy43 (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re "localities"

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I had a look through these last night, as far as I can see very few are inside municipalities and some are very obscure and non-notable. Other places, however, that are more well-known, have only "railway point" or (again) "former Indian/FN village" or "former PO".....but re the localities section, though they all need their BCGNIS/BC Names cites I suppose, there's no need to copy the list here for annotation re municipalities. I'll note them each separately here, if any do occur that are in municipalities now.Skookum1 (talk) 07:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chawathil 4/Katz

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I've been making redirects and consolidating certain placenames with IRs.....Chawathil 4 is where the Katz railway station and the Katz locality article are, they're on the reserve, which is the main community of the Chawathil First Nation. It may say "uninhabited" on Katz's BC Names entry, but it's not. Unclear if the primary name-usage is Chawathil or Katz, trying to find a contact with the band to ask; their other reserves are in Hope and north of Hope and such, so can't be redirected to Katz....Hope 1 is in Hope but I'm unclear if that should redirect to Hope, British Columbia or ? To the FN's page? Probably best to mention it in the Hope article and redirect it there; it's the site of the Telteyet Campground on Water St in downtown Hope. The Moricetown IRs now redirect to Moricetown, British Columbia now, fro example, and Coldwater 1 to Coldwater, British Columbia, with the FN reserves cat on the IR redirects, which should become the norm....Skookum1 (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why WPTrains insists on there being separate railway station articles is questionable; iMO the railway station articles like Boston Bar railway station should be merged to their corresponding location articles.Skookum1 (talk) 03:23, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gazetteer is fed by BCGNIS

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It turns out the BC Gazetteer is fed by BCGNIS. According to this, "The Gazetteer of British Columbia is a spreadsheet of all official place names..." and "...is extracted daily from the BC Geographical Names Information System (BCGNIS), the master database of British Columbia place names."

Per the same link above, I have obtained the "free electronic copy of the BC Gazetteer" from GeoBC. The list since provided by BCGNIS is more up-to-date than the shapefile I previously downloaded from DataBC, hence the full lists of existing and former FN villages just added to the sandbox.

The following is a summary of quick observations made from the data provided by BCGNIS:

1. there are now 892 "communities" instead of the previous 889;
  • Cassin has been demoted from "urban community" to "community", Westside promoted from "locality" to "community", Fort Nelson (former town) and Salmon Beach added, Vernon (Vancouver Island instance) removed, and Mayne renamed Mayne Island Hwy43 (talk) 07:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
2. there are now 557 "localities" instead of the previous 556;
Pendleton Bay and Pleasant Camp designated as localities while Westside promoted to "community" Hwy43 (talk) 07:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
3. there are now 14 "recreational communities" instead of the previous 11; and
It says the Village area, and seems to be related to the creation of the Whistler PO in 1982 (odd, I remember there being a PO in the Village Square long before that...in the drugstore). BC Names really should get rid of the 'unincorporated" part of their description in this and many other cases, huh? Don't know where the "Whistler (resort municipality)" BCGNIS/BC Names link would go, possibly to the geographic centre of the RMOW, which is somewhere now down past Tamarisk or even west of that (on Mount Sproatt?) because of the expansion to include the Callaghan Valley and the McGuire's area.Skookum1 (talk) 04:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have no aversion to the BC Names' usage of "unincorporated". Hwy43 (talk) 05:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
??? How can a place that's very much incorporated like Whistler be "unincorporated", likewise any place that's inside an incorporated municipality? I'll take up the definition with my contact at BC Names I guess; seems to need a better definition at the source. Not the first time the government publishes something that doesn't make sense.....Skookum1 (talk) 06:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously our interpretations of the term differ. As we both know, the RMOW is an incorporated municipality (or incorporated community). Within this incorporated community, we have found numerous smaller communities (or sub-communities) and localities. Although these are located within an incorporated community, these sub-communities and localities, whatever their boundaries may be (if any), are not incorporated entities themselves within the greater incorporated community. Hwy43 (talk) 06:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That Whistler (recreational community) listing is dated from 1982.....the RMOW came into existence during the NDP tenure 1972-75 not sure exactly when......Skookum1 (talk) 07:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
4. there are now 9 "urban communities" instead of the previous 10.

I'll note the changes above (below the corresponding observation) once found. Hwy43 (talk) 04:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Koksilah

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I just made this, due to making Koksilah River because of a couple of archival photos of its waterfall....Koksilah, British Columbia is just SE of Duncan, almost looks like it might be in the City now, nothing in BC Names about that though.Skookum1 (talk) 09:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

steamer landings?

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This is a class of location in BC Names/GeoBC, there are many of them; latest one I came across was Kilbella Bay, which though a bay article has a cite on it for the steamer landing there. Near-invariably all designated somewhere where steamers would land for supplies to settlers in the area, perhaps a few, perhaps many; whether there are still residents at these is hard to say, but seems likely. I haven't compiled a list of them yet; maybe later here in this section. Category:Steamer landings in British Columbia seems needed, as a subcat of this one's category and also of Category:Steamboats in British Columbia or whatever it is (something like that).Skookum1 (talk) 06:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also noting that Category:Ports and harbours of British Columbia may also apply, and that not all of these are necessarily on the coast, some are on the Fraser River, others on Kootenay and Arrow Lakes and variously on the lakes in the Nechako-Omineca region and also around Shuswap Lake etc.Skookum1 (talk) 06:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "Steamer landing" type of populated place in the BC Gazetteer GIS database I downloaded last year. As mentioned previously above, "the BC Gazetteer is fed by BCGNIS" (now BC Geographical Names). Hwy43 (talk) 06:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my mistake, they're listed as "landings", at least in BC Names, I have downloaded the gazetteer but have never fully looked it over; see "Kilbella Bay (landing)" as an example.....there's scads of them.Skookum1 (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. The link you provided is currently dead. May just be a temporary thing (website error). Kilbella Bay and the 79 other "landings" from last year's download are still listed at Talk:List of communities in British Columbia/Sandbox. Hwy43 (talk) 03:38, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just tried that link, it's "live".....sometimes BC Names servers don't respond. There's no way to know which of these have populations or are still in use; but definitely as much in need of articles as all the obscure railway points that WP:Trains mandates......some of those should be merged to the local location article, IMO, with the category kept only on the merged redirect.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is no assurance that all places with entries at BC Names/GeoBC, fed by the BC Gazetteer, are notable. If I interpret your comment correctly, I disagree that all of these landings are in need of articles. As mentioned below, redirects to larger geographic articles are better IMO. It saves us from creating a vast amount of orphans. Hwy43 (talk) 06:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I"m trying to make sure they're not orphans by fleshing out links to them on other pages; along the Coast, "landings" constituted settlements, and marine life/community is an important part of the province's history, especially on the Coast. Kilbella Bay also happens to be the location of one or two IRs, which would have been served by the steamer services. The Northland Navigation Company doesn't have an article yet; some landings are with other lines; a list of each company's landings on their pages, with coords, might provide a solution; there is little yet in Wikipedia on the coastal shipping services and the .... hundreds... of small locations they serve(d).Skookum1 (talk) 06:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

where to "settlements" go?

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I found Oceanic, British Columbia today, on Smith Island near PR, which seems to me to be an old cannery town but it doesn't say that on BC Names/ only "settlements". It's not an official name, maybe why it's not here already; can't see where it fits in the sections here.Skookum1 (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Every entry at GeoBC doesn't automatically warrant creation of its own article. In this case, Oceanic's status isn't even official and there is no supporting origin or history information at its GeoBC entry that could allude to its perceived level of notability. Though the entry says "Work in progress", we can't assume any supporting information will ever be there. For all we know, this could be the location of one residence where the owner named the location at his or her whim. Have you researched whether there is non-routine coverage from reliable secondary sources to determine whether this place is notable? Without, I'd rather see places like these as redirects to their larger geographies. See Category:Localities in Strathcona County for countless localities that aren't notable enough for their own articles. Hwy43 (talk) 06:26, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As noted, if I'm not mistaken it was a major cannery town; "unofficial" because not registered as one, perhaps, that it's on BC Names at all suggests more than its unofficial status there indicates; Oceanic Foods maybe was the company name; I could redirect it to the island it's on, I suppose, with coords in the island article, like certain other geo-names on various similar items.Skookum1 (talk) 06:35, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hesquiat

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Hesquiat currently redirects to Hesquiaht First Nation but there is locality called "Hesquiat", same as e.g. there's a locality called Ahousat but there is also Ahousaht First Nation; along the way of creating these and similar I noted the FNs, mostly, use the -aht spelling ("[group of] people" in the Nuu-chah-nulth language), vs BC Names using non-h -at endings. So I'm inclined to do the same here, noting that Hesquiat Indian Reserve No. 1 is the same location as the locality, so as in similar cases (Moricetown comes to mind) the IR will be a redirect, with the relevant IR categories on the redirect; in some cases I've redirected reserves to the respective band government, rather than to same-named/same-location IRs, which is especially necessary when reserves are all over the map and not in one contiguous area or adjacent. Also to note that Hesquiat (disambiguation) is needed due to Hesquiat Lake, Hesquiat Peninsula, Hesquiat Peninsula Provincial Park, Hesquiat Point and one of two others; IMO all those dual-name titles don't work as standalone titles re DAB so, despite some sandbagging of similar name issues elsewhere in the province by people "from away", the comma-province dab I won't use for the locality; in fact, such a dab Hesquiat, British Columbia, and Hesquiat (British Columbia) might best be redirected to the dab page, due to the parallel locality and FN government titles, albeit with different spellings; the peninsula could be meant also, but PRIMARYTOPIC, that's an open question; and one best not decided by interlopers not familiar with FN realities or BC geography. For the moment I can't adapt that redirect (Hesquiat) into a locality stub as BC Names servers aren't responding; note also Hesquiaht, which is the title for the ethno content about the people governed by the Hesquiaht First Nation (and two other bands); it's only a stub but there's more info on German Wikipedia. Anyways with such titles, the native name on the ethno component, the BC Names name on the geo-place component; in some case in List of Kwakwaka'wakw villages I did a few judgement calls, as the BC Names name was up against 4 or 5 other possibilities; with the Nuu-chah-nulth area ones it boils largely down to the -at vs -aht ending.

There's a few others out there that may need untangling, e.g. re Alkali Lake Indian Reserve No. 1 redirecting to Alkali Lake, British Columbia (note also Alkali Lake (British Columbia), the lake), but in that case Esketemc First Nation is no longer the Alkali Lake Indian Band; what I mean there is that with many bands, I've just redirected the IR title to the band government article, when not possible to tie it to a location or parallel/adjacent non-native community; Mount Currie, British Columbia is the main reserve community of the Lil'wat Nation but it also has a non-native component; D'Arcy, British Columbia and Nequatque are about the same place, but there's reason to keep them separate. Lillooet Indian Reserve No. 1, for example, goes to T'it'k'it First Nation (prob wrong spelling, was Lillooet Indian Band) even though it's right in, or rather on the boundaries of, the District of Lillooet.Skookum1 (talk) 09:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shaw Springs - unlisted but very real

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I just did some puttering about to try and find something other than BC Names, where this name does not appear. Thanks to this railfan article turns out the CPR railway stop there is called Drynoch, British Columbia. Note BC Names entry for that, and what it says: "In November 1953 Mr. Shaw asked that the name be changed, but the request was turned down by CPR and by the Geographic Board (file A.1.36)". Not the first time that the names boards have not gone with local requests (Seton River/Cayoosh Creek a case in point) or that BC Names/CGDNB are incomplete for whatever reason. Shaw Springs isn't as "profile" as it had been before highway expansion, but it's still there. does list a weather station there or nearby, and the Thompson-Nicola Regional District uses it in this disaster preparedness report. I'm of a mind to "make it" despite the lack of a BC Names cite......the coords can be that of "Drynoch". For the record, knowing the area, nobody uses that name other than the CPR.Skookum1 (talk) 03:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's also listings of b&b/resorts which have it.Skookum1 (talk) 06:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Brings to mind situations where the railway stop has an article, or a cite available, but is different from that of the adjacent community or locality. This applies to Cisco (railway point) and Siska, British Columbia, for example; thinking that in such cases a redirect from the railstop title to the actual place would carry the railway stops cat, as with IR redirects as suitable to various places. I've done this for points and other objects on islands or pertaining to various waterbody articles, with redirects to the host location's article. "Landings" is another similar area; though as with Jedway [3] on South Moresby/Gwaii Haanas, and dozens along the coast, where the only recorded official name is that of the landing, but services and small communities were what is there. Various literature about the coast that's out there has more, and sailing guides. Railway siding titles with not much more than stubs, maybe the map, are out there aplenty, because of the efforts of WP:Trains people, but they are not much tied into other BC articles.Skookum1 (talk) 06:37, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, must be Alzheimer's onset, Shaw Springs exists and I'd amended it in April...I'll make the redirects to it and tidy it up some next time I get a chance.Skookum1 (talk) 13:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've fixed it up and such.....but where should I put it on this page, as BC Names/CGNDB doesn't lable it as a locality etc?Skookum1 (talk) 06:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Fraser created and re railway points

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Following up on the creation of Texas Creek (Fraser River) and Keatley Creek as the result of finding/editing Keatley Creek Archaeological Site, which is located at Glen Fraser, which has only a railway-point cite in BC Names; the ranch history there I can't add for now, as my external hard drive with my digital copies of Halfway to the Goldfields by Irene Harris, which covers the Fraser ranches in this area, seems to have failed for good (still trying some "soft fixes" though). But about railway points, there's no Category:Railway points though Category:Railway points in the Regional District of Fraser-Fort George does exist, and no other; some of the ones already there may need merging to the actual localities, as the railway point may not be in use by local communities, in same way that Cisco/Siska and Drynoch/Shaw Springs don't match but are necessarily the same place/ article. BTW on Category talk:Populated places on the Fraser River I've fielded the idea of "formerly populated places" re Keatley Creek's village site, though it's also apt for Glen Fraser, where no one lives anymore but had been a couple of ranches with....maybe 20 people? So it's not populated anymore, nor are various other locations, ancient, historical and modern.....Skookum1 (talk) 07:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

historical listings in city directories have lots more

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This page gives an example of the types of listing available from the VPL's online city directories 1860-1955. Note "Graham Centre" which I've seen elsewhere when making recent Haida Gwaii pages, and that BC Names only lists Leanchoil as a railway point, when it had had businesses and residents. There's lots of names I've never heard before, and in many cases of larger places descriptions that might include population or economic information.Skookum1 (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NRRM not in list table

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Just noticed that the Northern Rockies Regional Municipality is not in the table/list; I don't have time to add it, just noting its absence, though it's mentioned elsewhere on the page.Skookum1 (talk) 04:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is there in the list between North Vancouver and Oak Bay. Hwy43 (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hm guess I needed more coffee; I'd looked at the list to get pop figures for the smaller munis in relation to a discussion about suggested incorporation for the Bridge River towns, now facing outside development with little say in the matter; if Jumbo can be incorporated without any residents, then......the NRRM is a bit odd relative to other munis, but may form a model for certain other regional governments to come.Skookum1 (talk) 06:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bridge River goldfield towns and sundry

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How many communities comprise "the Bridge River towns" and what are their names? Hwy43 (talk) 07:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See Bridge River Country for a more extended answer, but the surviving ones are Bralorne (of which Bradian is "third townsite" and Pioneer Mine, now nearly entirely abandoned, was "fourth townsite", Brexton, Gold Bridge and Minto City (that one's abandoned). Gun Lake (British Columbia) aka Big Gun Lake isn't a town but has a summer population larger than either Gold Bridge or Bralorne; combined they used to have 10,000, until Bralorne Mine closed in 1971. Lajoie Lake aka Little Gun Lake has maybe 30 residents/properties.
Another community in the valley is around Tyaughton Lake and lower Gun Creek (British Columbia) and is called "Tyax", or around Tyaughton Lake (aka Tyoax or Tyax Lake), and a much smaller one at Marshall Lake (British Columbia) to its east; the old townsite at Terzaghi Dam is now gone, used to have 2000 people, and to confuse things a bit the palcename "Bridge River" is/was the name of the Hydro townsite at Shalalth, "the gateway to the Bridge River" and that ws in fact where the Bridge River P.O. was at first and for many years after, so while that's not in the Bridge River Valley, it's part of the Bridge River Country. "Bridge River" was a collective name for all the mining claims of the upper Bridge River; in mines ministry-speak all of that was the "Bridge River mining camp" subdivision of the Lillooet Mining District. Geographical confusion doesn't stop there; a gold rush boomtown at the Bridge River Fishing Grounds, six miles north of Lillooet, was also called "Bridge River".
Moha, British Columbia aka Yalakom is also part of the Bridge River Country, though not part of the "Bridge River mine towns" alluded to above, even though a huge hydraulic mine was there (now "Horseshoe Wash")....the term "Bridge River gold rush" has two meanings/eras; one from the 1870s onwards when the lower Bridge River, downstream from Moha, was hydraulic-mined (with licenses from the chief of the Bridge River band, aka Xwisten), the other from the 1890s onwards in the area of Gold Bridge/Bralorne. One of the claims there was called the Forty Thieves claim because the 1891 census showed 40 residents for the area. An excellent read and great source on the area is The Great Years: Gold mining in the Bridge River Valley by Lewis Green, Tricouni Books 2000; numerous bios in there of note but I don't have a copy of the book with me....
Unlike Granisle and Wells and other company towns since incorporated as munis, Bralorne never was. Not yet anyway; that new development may trigger that off as local feel they have not been consulted etc....Skookum1 (talk) 07:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bralorne-Pioneer and Wells were the two places in BC that did not experience the Great Depression; modern and busy and there was a three-way hockey rivalry between Bralorne, Pioneer Mine and Wells; Bralorne has the province's first ski hill/tow, Wells was soon after and had a ski jump the ruins of which are still there (I think Bralorne's had a jump too).Skookum1 (talk) 07:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hm few other placenames came to mind: Congress and Wayside were smaller versions of Minto, mining-camp-cum-towns, Southfork and Haylmore are placenames adjacent to Gold Bridge, the former a mine-site the latter the residence of the mining recorder by "the gold bridge" (wasn't gold in the heyday of the mines, but painted that way for a while in the 80s). Greyrock was a "suburb" of Minto on the south side of what is now Carpenter Lake. Rexmount is another local placename, but was a ranch, and not a goldfield location like the others.Skookum1 (talk) 13:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hatzic (re-) created

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I was a bit surprised to find out this was db'd long ago, it's a major community in the Fraser Valley and strange that it was not seen to a long time ago; the reasons for deletion were dubious, as though the former version didn't have much content, it was factual and needed citation....not trigger-happy deletion (way back in 2007). Turns out there was a disambiguation project discussion about it in 2012...and I don't really understand why the primary topic question wasn't brought to WP:Canada or, more particularly, to WP:BC. But so it goes, at least it's been re-created; needs some further citations and some sub-articles need work/creation (e.g. Hatzic Valley), and I'll add a Commons photo showing the residential area that is the PRIMARYTOPIC.Skookum1 (talk) 13:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resort municipality: official municipal status vs. municipal funding program

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Please see Talk:List of municipalities in British Columbia#Resort municipality: official municipal status vs. municipal funding program for an explanation why there is actually just one municipality with official resort municipality status and not fourteen. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 03:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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