Talk:List of cities with more than one commercial airport

Definition of article

Have to agree. This article should really be about cities with more than one airport where they have either >100,000 passengers/year, or serve aircraft of 30+ seats on reg schedule service. Saying Victoria has 4 airports is insane. 1(YYJ) yes, 2 (YWH) perhaps, but the other two are a big stretch. Same applies to Vancouver.

The criteria defined for a city with more than one airport is a bit too broad. One could argue that Greater Vancouver, BC has three airports; Vancouver International, Pitt Meadows, and Boundary Bay. I propose to redefine the article to list only cities that have regularly scheduled flights or the article eventually will become too long and cumbersome. Under this definition, Montreal will have only one airport as Mirabel and St. Hubert don't deal with scheduled passenger flights.

smr 21:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)smrgeog

Istanbul also has two public airports with scheculed national and international flights. One is Atatürk Airport and the other is Sabiha Gökçen Airport, one of them is in the european side of the city and the other is in the asian side respectively.

What about Rome - Fiumicino and Ciampino? User from Poland

New York City has six airports in its metropolitan area with regularly scheduled flights: JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Westchester, Islip, and Stewart. Similarly, General Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee is closer to Chicago than is Rockford, and is often used as an alternate airport for people in the northern Chicago suburbs. 75.3.112.97 (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Islamabad

Does Islamabad have two airports? As per the New Islamabad International Airport article it is not functional yet, and even when it eventually will be it is expected to replace (not augment) the Benazir Bhutto International Airport. That does not seem to be the intention of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binand (talk • contribs) 09:11, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Abbotsford

Abbotsford International Airport should not be included in this list as Abbotsford is not within the boundaries of the Greater Vancouver Regional District. 75.157.4.12 (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not the location but where it serves. For example London Stansted Airport is in Uttlesford, Essex and London Luton Airport is in Luton (51 km/32) north of London. The same applies to other airports/towns as well. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 14:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

London

If Trenton-Mercer Airport is listed for NYC, then why shouldn't Southampton Airport be listed for London? The latter is the same distance from London as the former is from NYC, is serviced by direct trains to/from Waterloo Station, is much bigger/busier and includes international operations (the former is strictly domestic). Alternatively, Trenton-Mercer might not merit being considered a NYC airport, after all.

31.210.181.187 (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Should London, UK, qualify for a city with 6 airports as Southend Airport is listed as London Southend Airport. What d'yah think? Chilkoot (talk) 11:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Possibly. London Southend Airport does have (a small number of) scheduled flights. London Ashford Airport also features a small number of scheduled flights, whilst London Oxford and London Biggin Hill do not have scheduled flights. What's the criteria for inclusion? User:Spacevezon^talk 16:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Dunno what the criteria is really .. maybe if the airport in question has London as a prefix .... it's a thought though!!!

Paris

Orly, CDG, Beauvais (yeah, I know), but also Le bourget (ever remember Indbergh?), Villacoublay, etc... In fact, in the French-language section about Aeroports de Paris, it is said that ADP administers 14 airfields in Ile-de-France... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.144.119.170 (talk) 21:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, Bauvais is not really Paris, but Le Bourget definitly count. Ist for buisness, privates jets and exibitions, but it has a real activity with all theses. Maybe Toussus Le Noble could also qualify as an airport of paris as it got two hard runways and get recepts private jets
Clealry Paris hasen't 14 airport. Aéroport de Paris is a Brand, and it has the management of 25 airports all over the world 193.52.245.6 (talk) 15:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Moscow

Moscow has more then 3: Category:Airports_in_Moscow_Oblast --188.62.37.29 (talk) 12:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

To be included to the list, an airport should operate sceduled civil flights. The most closest is Bykovo, but there are no scheduled flights since 2003. According to the page in ru-wiki, government does not plan to develop civil aviation in Bykovo. Ostafyevo is a business airport for Gazprom, so it does not count as well, I suppose. Semifinalist (talk) 09:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Miami

Miami is listed as having three airports, and as having two airports. --96.32.133.130 (talk) 00:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Vancouver

Vancouver should only be counted as having only six airports, as one of the seven listed is only a heliport. 68.199.45.136 (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The article on airport includes heliports. From the opening of that article "An airport is a location where aircraft such as fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters, and blimps takeoff and land. Aircraft may be stored or maintained at an airport. An airport consists of at least one surface such as a runway for a plane to takeoff and land, a helipad, or water for takeoffs and landings, and often includes buildings such as control towers, hangars and terminal buildings." Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 12:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

City Limits?

Either I don't understand the definition of "within city limits" or the data for Los Angeles is incorrect. While both Bob Hope airport and Long Beach airport are indeed within city limits, they are not within the Los Angeles city limit. They can be found within Burbank and Long Beach respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.154.160.152 (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Milano - 3 or 2 airports ?

Orio al Serio Airport serves the city of Milano but is a Bergamo airport. However also the Malpensa Airport, even serving Milano city, is an airport of Varese. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 12:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Milan have 4 airports. The fourth is Parma-Milan Airport, as in the official name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.32.150.7 (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Parma-Milan Airport as in the official name? Would love to see some references to have a good laugh :-).--Sal73x (talk) 12:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Criteria

Can the comunitiy of wiki-users decide what are the criteria for this article? Simple rules so that we can estabilish which aiports to include and which airport does not meet the criteria. Just to make some examples:

• Only airports with commercial flights
• With at least 100.000 passengers per year
• Within 50km/50miles from city-centre

As the article stands now is a simple list with mixed info and very incomplete.--Sal73x (talk) 12:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Düsseldorf

Düsseldorf, Germany, is missing in this list. Apart from its main airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_Airport) it is also served by "Düsseldorf Mönchengladbach Airport" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_M%C3%B6nchengladbach_Airport). Furthermore it is served by "Weeze Airport" which, for some time, was also called "Düsseldorf-Weeze airport" and its main carrier (Ryanair) still refers to it under that name (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeze_Airport). 176.4.69.33 (talk) 08:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Mönchengladbach has no scheduled services, so it doesn't belong here (this is about airports with commercial scheduled services, as it states in the lead) while Ryanair's claim is just their marketing and would need an outside source. oknazevad (talk) 19:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Definition for "airport serving a city"?

1. For instance, Ibaraki airport is sometime described as the third airport for Tokyo despite others might disagree. And for tokyo, there are also Chofu airport with passenger services to remote Tokyo Islands, does that count?
2. If distance is a measure then how do you count Paris Vatry airport? (It is now in the list but distance less than the one article give, due to different way of calculation)

C933103 (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

We must be careful here. Public charters do not qualify as scheduled passenger service. They operate under different rules and are not classified as scheduled commercial service. So Morristown should not be listed under New York, as the only . As for Palm Springs, it is not considered an LA airport by the IATA. It should not be listed as one here, just as it is not listed at List of airports in the Los Angeles area. The other additions I don't really have comments on, but I'll double check the additions and remove any that only have public charter service, as it didn't count. oknazevad (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@Oknazevad:

1. You mean FAA? but I don't think that is the only thing should be considered when as an criteria like in Orlando Melbourne airport's case.
2. My decision to include Daytone and Tampa for Orlando is influenced by the last statement on the opening paragraph of Orlando International Airport page.
3. Not sure why you would remove London Ashford
4. For Vancouver:
   • Aren't these considered as scheduled service to Boundary Bay?
   • And Pitt Meadows Airport page said it have scheduled service and serve Metro Vancouver.
   • Not sure why you remove Vancouver Harbour Water Aerodrome and Vancouver International Water Aerodrome
5. Not sure why Tijuana airport is removed from the San Diego entry when Tijuana airport have been extended into San Diego.

C933103 (talk) 10:21, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

To answer in order:

1. No, I mean the IATA, the International Air Transport Association. It's essentially the organization that determines such things as what airports are considered to serve a city. So where there's a question it should be deferred to.
2. Besides being unsourced, it's a pretty dubious statement that is couched in weasel words. Looking at Greater Orlando, Daytona only is included in the broader combined metropolitan area, not the core one. As for Tampa, that's like flying into Philadelphia to get to New York City. Not that difficult, not unheard of in practice, but no one would call Philadelphia International Airport a NYC airport. Plus Tampa is listed under three airports on its own, appropriately; we can't double count an airport.
3. The same reason I removed Morristown from New York: the only operator is a scheduled public charter, not a proper commercial airline (and the distance doesn't help, but it is secondary).
4. Re Vancouver:
   • There needs to be more info that these flights aren't public charters or ad hoc flights.
   • Listed as general aviation, and has no IATA code at all. More mislabeled public charters.
   • These aren't the names of these airports.
5. The airport has not been extended into San Diego. There's a connecting pedestrian bridge. It's still on the other side of an international border, with the requisite international border crossing.

None are suitable for inclusion here. oknazevad (talk) 12:11, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

I see, @Oknazevad:

1. but even the Long Island airport is not considered as a New York City airport according to a IATA database I found, which indicate the database is not comprehensive
2. Yes, the Daytona only is included in the broader combined metropolitan area, not the core one. But then San Francisco Bay Area also get listed on the listn as a whole, although arguably fewer people would consider Daytona as Orlando than amount of people would consider San Francisco Bay Area as a whole. Also, for San Francisco, does Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport count?
3. For the two Vancouver water airport, the name were used in List of airports in the Lower Mainland. Was there different in acceptance standard or should that be changed as well?
4. And if the official name of those airports are used will they be acceptable?
5. The airline say it is the first multi-aircraft airline flying regularly scheduled service into Boundary Bay airport, since there're already many public charter services serving the airport, so if the service is charter then it would be false advertisement and thus I think that is a scheduled flight? [Although admittedly I am not sure about what is the difference/boundary between scheduled flight and public charter.]
6. Yes, the connecting pedetrian bridge show it's going to serve people from the other side of the international border, and I don't think an international border is going to stop an airport from serving a city.

C933103 (talk) 23:20, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

1. See here.
2. Huh? So you are saying you agree that few people would count Daytona as an Orlando airport? If so, what is the question?
3. That list needs to be changed to match the article titles. It should not be linking to redirects.
4. See number 3
5. Sounds to me like self-promotion.
6. We'll have to agree to disagree. An international boundary is a huge thing. oknazevad (talk) 19:36, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

1. @Oknazevad: Yes, the paragraph quoted FAA designation and that's why I asked about did you mean IATA or FAA
2. I mean, the actual question here is can we count Daytona to be part of the "Greater Orlando" area when it is in the combined metropolitan area, and can the entire metropolitan area be treated as a "city".
   • And how about the Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport
3. will edit
4. will edit.
5. So is there any official definition that can be used by anyone outside the government ot the airline itself to measure whether a flight is public charter or a scheduled flight? List of airlines of British Columbia list the airline as providing scheduled passenger service although the reference is the airline homepage itself.
6. Shall we bring that to attention of other editors like put it in wikiproject discussion page or etc.? And just read that San Diego government site list the Mexican airport under the city's transportation method.

C933103 (talk) 03:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

And according to this document, it seems like the definition of what is a scheduled operation (in the US) is actually much wider than it appears to. C933103 (talk) 09:28, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible to directly use the IATA city code definition? --Miklcct (talk) 04:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

On one hand it's a completely objective standard. On the other hand it's not always sufficient. For example, let's look at New York City. Stewart International is listed as an NYC airport by the IATA city code, but Weetchest County Airport is not, despite the latter being significantly closer and unambiguously commercial. So just using the IATA city codes would completely leave off valid entries, so it's insufficient. oknazevad (talk) 10:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Seaplane airports

At present, Copenhagen is listed as having two airports - Kastrup and Roskilde. But there are also regularly scheduled seaplane flights from Copenhagen Harbour to Aarhus, and it's registered as an airport with the ICAO code EKCC. Does this count? Smurrayinchester 08:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Just noticed Miami Seaplane Base is listed, so I guess the answer is yes. Smurrayinchester 11:54, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. Looks good. oknazevad (talk) 12:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Sydney

While it isn't exactly a normal airline, Airly is now running scheduled passenger-carrying flights out of Sydney's Bankstown Airport, being the first passenger carrier to operate scheduled services from the airport. Would that qualify Sydney to feature on this list, with Bankstown alongside Sydney (Kingsford Smith) Airport? trainsandtech (talk) 09:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

With the need to prefegister as a client of the company, it's not an actual common carrier scheduled passenger service, that is a regular airline where anyone can buy a ticket, but what is known in the industry as a "scheduled charter", which operates according to the licensing of a charter aircraft, not a standard commercial operating certificate. So it doesn't fall under the scope of the services intended here. oknazevad (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I will amend the Bankstown Airport article to reflect that. trainsandtech (talk) 09:45, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Trenton-Mercer

I've removed Trenton-Mercer airport for New York City because it's a tiny airport and not usually considered a part of the New York City airport system. If we want to include it, then we could include many more airports for the other cities in the list. BenBezuidenhout (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

It's small, but it does have unambiguously commercial flights, and is part of the NYC metro area per the US Office of Management and Budget. Now, there's very few people who would fly into Trenton to get to NYC itself, but TTN draws from the New Jersey parts of the metro area, who go to Trenton instead of Newark, which is definitely part of the NYC airport system. oknazevad (talk) 01:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I feel like this expanded category means we can start adding plenty of airports to other cities in the list. Would you argue London Oxford Aiport should now be included? What about. I feel like the arguments you gave for including Trenton-Mercer hold no water. I see no airlines or commercial companies that offer Trenton-Mercer as an option for flying to NYC. It seems ridiculous to add it to be quite blunt. If I don't get a sufficient reply again, I will just revert it and I don't want to see this resort to an edit war. BenBezuidenhout (talk) 20:47, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but the weekend kept me away from substantial Wikipedia discussion. It makes for a more collaborative environment if you wait more than 36 hours for a response. As for the actual topic, I'm just going to point to Aviation in the New York metropolitan area, which includes discussion of Trenton-Mercer. oknazevad (talk) 16:56, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'm sure you have no issue with me including the 17 other airports mentioned in the Airports of London article then? That would take London to 22. I'll make amends by this evening. BenBezuidenhout (talk) 20:57, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Do they have scheduled commercial service? Because that's the criteria for inclusion. oknazevad (talk) 22:50, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Lydd and Oxford do, as illustrated in this "Airports of London" map. If you're happy with this, I can add these two tomorrow morning (after you've replied)? BenBezuidenhout (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Oxford doesn't have any scheduled service (only some brief-lived startups in the past), and Lydd is only scheduled charter (not scheduled commercial; the two are different types of service). Oxford is out. Lydd is marginal, and if we are to include it, then New York would also get Morristown Municipal Airport, which also has a scheduled charter service. I'd just leave both Lydd and Morristown out, as we have this far. oknazevad (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Toronto airports

Doesn't Toronto have 4 airports? Not 3. The region of Waterloo airport should be included right? Zacharycmango (talk) 22:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Isn't the Kitchener–Waterloo region a separate metro area, not part of the Golden Horseshoe? I don't think it makes the cut as a Toronto airport. oknazevad (talk) 23:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

The GTA is the metro area which wouldn’t officially include Hamilton either.

KW isn’t in the core Golden Horseshoe but it is in the Greater Golden Horseshoe which basically functions as an extension of the GH and was made official by the Ontario govt in 2005. Logank98 (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

For most intents and purposes, KW is usually considered a Toronto area airport anyhow. Logank98 (talk) 04:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Chicago-area airports

Should the entry for Chicago be expanded to include Gary/Chicago International Airport? The WP article says 'Gary/Chicago bills itself as the "third airport" for the Chicago metropolitan area'. At only 25 miles of Chicago city center, it is closer than some other airports on this list (example: BWI is 30 mi from DC). Note that if Chicago is expanded with Gary/Chicago, that elevates it to the previous section for four airports. — Molly-in-md (talk) 13:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Gary has had no commercial passenger service since 2013. As that is the required criteria for being on this list, we won't add Gary to the Chicago entry until it gets commercial service again. Heck, Rockford is pushing it, being 85 miles away; in that case it's more marketing to the northwest suburbs than actual travel to the city of Chicago. oknazevad (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Seattle

The Seattle area is listed as having 5 airports, yet it seems only 2 of these have substantial commercial service (SEA, and Paine Field has service from Alaska Air). Should this really be under the 4 or more section? Does anyone agree or disagree? –Aaronw1109 ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I just took Seattle off the 4 or more list. Please do not hesitate to reach out if you disagree with my edit. Thanks, –Aaronw1109 ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I can't disagree. All the others are only used by Kenmore Air, which is the class called scheduled charter service, not a common carrier commercial airline. oknazevad (talk) 10:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

As an additional thought, I did a similar edit for Vancouver some time back. Looking at it further, Vancouver should also be bumped down to two airports, as the seaplane base there is in the same boat (pardon the pun). oknazevad (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: I respect your pun. I'm looking at the other airports on here and it looks like there's quite a few that only have charter service. I'll keep taking some off –Aaronw1109 ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, a good audit of the list is appreciated. Like me just removing Kansas City the other day. I appreciate fresh eyes. oknazevad (talk) 17:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)