Talk:List of bridge competitions and awards

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Purpose

Is this useful? On the one hand it needs to be much more complete, certainly not limited to wikipedia pages, which the Categories cover adequately. On the other hand it is already about as long as I can comprehend an alphabetical list of unlike elements. --P64 (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! Maybe this is redundant with Category:Contract bridge competitions, but a worthy competition which is not already a Wiki article cannot be in that category because the article does not exist and cannot be tagged, so the only way to identify such a competition is by way of this list article. The list enables editors to subsequently convert items listed which are red links to live links by writing the articles - a sort of to-do list. I think at this stage, we should keep the list, modify it by adding to it any missing competitions as red links and also creating appropriate groupings within the listing). Anything specific to propose? Newwhist (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the European Bridge Championships to the list - currently a red link. JH (talk page) 09:16, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JH, I have the beginnings of that in my User space working on the European Bridge League, European Team Championships (bridge), and European Open Bridge Championships (as the even- and odd-year meets are named at the EBL website).

Nw, Five years ago I "learned" that yours was the primary function of Lists; editors were their primary audience. When I returned perhaps two years ago I "learned" that that was no longer true. But I am happy to use this List in that "old" way. --P64 (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict, two massive revisions) I'll quit for now to my User space. --P64 (talk) 15:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

my fault --Newwhist was at work from 15:09

I had begun to manage the coverage of world championships (and to take notes on particular events) in my User space. Momentarily I have dumped this hour's work in progress at the top of that page, User:P64/Bridge/Championship.

Instead, I'll continue work on the Europeans today. --P64 (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P64: Sorry about the edit conflicts - I am signing off this article for the day - please carry on. Best regards and keep up the good work! Newwhist (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JH, good work on the body of English Bridge Union.

It looks like I will now be gone for July 3-4.--P64 (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are we restricting ourselves to current competitions?

I was about to add an entry for the Macallan Invitational Pairs, (previously known as the Sunday Times Invitational Pairs, but then I realised thatr it had lapsed after 1999. In its time it was arguably equivalent in strength to the Cavendish today. JH (talk page) 09:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, no; all notable competitions should be listed, even if lapsed. Since this is a list article, there should an entry with an indication that the event is discontinued, superceded, transformed, modified, etc. This circumstance is especially common in the ACBL's NABCs where trophies have been retired, replaced, and subsequently resurrected for different competitions/events. The entry should contain either (1) minimum details leaving that for an article on its own, or (2) if no article, a good albeit brief description (perhaps to become an article later). Newwhist (talk) 12:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree thruout. Since the Macallan or Sunday Times is a past competition, I would use the more notable name as list entry or article title. There should be one article with a redirect at the other name. I don't know about multiple list entries.

Regarding the Youth program, I plan to wait for coverage of the 2nd World Youth Congress in 2011 and 2nd World Mind Sports Games in 2012 before deciding that any of their component events is a new one rather than a continuation. For example, I'll do what I can under the one Junior/s Team/s title for now. --P64 (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In that case I'll add an entry for the Macallan. I'm not sure which name it was better known under, but that can always be changed later. JH (talk page) 17:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

USBC

Regarding the United States Bridge Championships, these sources may be useful.

United States Bridge Federation (website) —of course!
USBF Championships Format and Schedule (2011). Bridge Winners. Retrieved 2011-07-15.

Anyone who discovers a likely useful source should feel free to extend this list and sign below. I will do that myself rather post a cascade of replies. --P64 (talk) 16:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

World Bridge Championships

Does WBF use "World Bridge Championships" in the comprehensive sense implied here? Yes, in the preface to its championships subsite. Immediately below the table, however, it says simply "World Championships". I'm not sure whether those are genuine proper nouns or puffery that should be lowercase, much as we see the words world and championship jointly and separately capitalized in many wikipedia articles and categories.

The quadrennial World Pair Olympiad was renamed World Bridge Championships sometime before 1998, presumably after the KO Teams events were inaugurated in 1978. (Contemporary coverage online is available beginning with the tenth meet, 1998 World Bridge Championships. WBF.)
The word "Series" was inserted, probably in order to provide an abbreviation World Series that is hallowed in America. —which WBF uses in the left sidebar of its championships subsite.
Consider the revealing titles and opening words of the 2006 and 2010 contemporary coverage. 2006 "12th World Bridge Championships. The 2006 World Bridge Championships (12th in the series of Pairs events, and 8th in the series of Team events)" —quadrennial from 1962 and 1978 respectively. See the short historical account given in 2002 (World Bridge Championships, page 1 bottom).] 2010 "13th World Bridge Series Championships. The 13th edition of the World Bridge Series Championships, the world’s biggest and most complex bridge competition, held quadrennially"

--P64 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Masters Individual, Open and Women

(Too bad the WBF doesn't give consistent names to its tournaments and use them consistently: Senior/Seniors Team/Teams, etc.)

Has any woman participated in the so-called Open flight? The Open field comprised 36 men in the 2008 Games (more information below). WBF now lists historical results for the first rendition (1992, ranks 1 to 25) only men, i believe. For the sixth (2004, complete) only men, i believe.

The tournament is invitational, sponsored by (Cap) Generali—apparently thruout its history to date. Who invites the participants?

What does it mean for an invitational event to be Open in this sense? That some women are invited? That a committee or sponsor charged with selection is requested to consider women? permitted to invite women?

Open^[a] There were 36 men in the Open field, including seven from host China and five from France.^[1]

^ WBF calls these two invitational series Open and Women in preface to the historical results, and labels them Open and Women in column headings there and elsewhere[1]. [See also [2]: text, Open and Women; caption, Men and Women] No women played in the Open flight at the 2008 Games and none are listed in ranks 1 to 25 for the inaugural contest in 1992.

^ Results & Participants (World Masters Individual, 2008). WBF. Retrieved 2011-11-05.

--P64 (talk) 16:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[men-1] WBF calls these two invitational series Open and Women in preface to the historical results, and labels them Open and Women in column headings there and elsewhere[1]. [See also [2]: text, Open and Women; caption, Men and Women] No women played in the Open flight at the 2008 Games and none are listed in ranks 1 to 25 for the inaugural contest in 1992.

[WBFindividuals-2] Results & Participants (World Masters Individual, 2008). WBF. Retrieved 2011-11-05.

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