Talk:List of bisexual characters in television/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merger proposal

There is an overlap of information with List of LGBT characters in television‎, which has a Bisexual section. I propose moving everything from here into the above mentioned article. Thoughts, anyone? AD (talk) 11:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree! –anemoneprojectors– 16:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

2021 re-creation of list

Due to the page size of article List of LGBT characters in television and radio becoming too large, a discussion about the size took place 2020–21, and by consensus the individual sections were split-off into separate articles (i.e. List of lesbian characters in television, List of gay characters in television, List of bisexual characters in television, List of transgender characters in television, List of LGBT characters in radio and podcast programs). Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 05:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

That's exactly right. The discussion was and is a very productive one. --Historyday01 (talk) 14:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Choosing an image for the list

@User:Pyxis Solitary, since you reversed my addition of an image, saying "Why should he be selected as representative of this list? Adding images needs consensus. And if there are going to be images, it should be images of the CHARACTERS. And if it can't be based on everyone having a say -- it's best not done." If are going to say that, then add a copyrighted image yourself, a composite image, or something better. I would predict that it would be removed by a bot, as that's happened to me when I've tried to add NFCC images in the past. I'm not really sure of a replacement, but perhaps there is something here, here or here. Historyday01 (talk) 02:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

"perhaps there is something here...." All those files relate to the subject of bisexuality, but this is not an article about the sexual orientation or the bisexual community. It's also not a list about bisexual actors or actors in general. This article is a list of television characters that are bisexual. If there is going to be an image included in the page it should be an image of a bisexual character in a television program because that's what the article is about. There are many character pages that contain an image of the character; some are screenshots but most are images from press kits promoting the program. These are a few of the ones that are bisexual: Claire Bennet, Pamela Swynford De Beaufort, Stella Gibson, Clarke Griffin, Annalise Keating, Sara Lance, Ellaria Sand, River Song, Number Three, Callie Torres, Chuck Bass, Felix Gaeta, Owen Harper, Oberyn Martell. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 14:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I can agree with that, that it should be a bisexual character. I'll look through the ones you've listed and try to come up with a better one. Historyday01 (talk) 15:23, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Non-binary bisexuals

Out of interest, who decided that this article should be split into male and female sections? I was looking to add Ripley Lennox, a non-binary bisexual, to this list – but I am unable to. – DarkGlow • 23:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

If a character is "non-binary" ... it is queer. It's listed here: List of fictional non-binary characters. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo fele. 17:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Just checked on that page, and Ripley Lennox is listed there, with an entry for Ripley and another one in which Ripley is mentioned. Historyday01 (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with this, I would want another category for non binary bisexual people. If I am coming to this page I am interested in their sexuality, and gender is secondary. So having just a list of non binary characters on a separate page isn’t that helpful. PitterPatter533 (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

For this list, the term bisexual is the third branch of the Kinsey scale. Which is someone who is romantically attracted to, or sexual with, both males and females. There's nothing stopping you from creating a "List of non-binary bisexuals". Just make double-sure that every reliable source you use includes "non-binary bisexual" in its description of a character. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 08:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Non-binary is a gender identity, and therefore distinct from a sexuality. If entries in this list are categorized by gender, then non-binary should be added as a category. There is no "List of male bisexual characters" or "List of female bisexual characters," so there shouldn't be a corresponding list for non-binary characters. Csmith8 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

If you have the necessary source and information, you should look into adding a non-binary category on this list for non-binary characters. I will work on this edit otherwise, after I can do some research (unless you have info you want to send me). I agree it is odd to divide the list by gender, but it appears to be a stable format and overhauling it would be a major process. Csmith8 (talk) 03:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. I would support gutting the gender categories subdivisions on the page (which are currently present) entirely, and just having one list, with a column for the gender of characters. If this was done, the page could be structured similar to the List of lesbian characters in television or List of transgender characters in television pages. I'm not sure organizing it like the List of gay characters in television would be helpful. Previous discussions on this talk page say nothing about the gender division into "male" and "female" categories page sub-divisions.

The original discussion (which I FINALLY found today after some sleuthing), which resulted in this page's creation and similar ones like it, went on back-and-forth from November 2020 to February 2021, which led to this gender division has some saying it was a "good idea" and a way to find bisexual characters "easier." I think I agreed with those views at the time, and implemented the page divided it by gender originally in February 2021. What followed was a tense exchange when I boldly changed that page name. Personally, I don't think I'd have such a tense exchange nowadays.

In terms of the gender division of the page, in the list of characters, no one has challenged it since 2021. But, your comments are making me rethink what I thought at the time, and I'll pose this again. Once that is resolved, THEN non-binary bisexual characters can be added. I would FULLY support adding them provided that this gender-division be removed/changed, if that makes sense.

Also, @DarkGlow and @PitterPatter533, your comments would be greatly appreciated, as I'd like to re-open this discussion again about whether the page list should be split into male and female sections. I do NOT think that got enough attention when it was done back in 2021.Historyday01 (talk) 04:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I can't really make sense of what I wrote before haha, but I do think there is some use of keeping the gender categories and adding non-binary. I personally find it useful when I want to watch a series to decide if I want to watch something specific relating to female bisexuality or male bisexuality, and consequently, I would appreciate the option of being able to browse series with non-binary characters. PitterPatter533 (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fair. I think it would be fine to include non-binary characters on this list. When I said "I would support gutting the gender categories entirely, and just having one list" my idea was that there would be a column for the gender of a character, rather than having a sub-division (as it is currently on the page). But, I'd also be fine with having a sub-division for non-binary characters, who are also bisexual.

It is altogether possible that there are some characters (who are nonbinary and bisexual) who are on the List of fictional non-binary characters page already, and if so, they could be added here. Otherwise, it may be better to find such characters and write the entries for them first before adding them to the page, if that makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 14:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

That sounds perfectly reasonable. I like the idea of having them in one table, rather than 2 or more sections. PitterPatter533 (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's my thought as well. Historyday01 (talk) 22:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

This list is (obviously) a sexuality list of females and males identified as bisexual in TV series with sources verifying the character identification as bisexual.
Non-binary is its own identity. There is a List of fictional non-binary characters. Perhaps that nb list should be broken down by additional identifications for the non-binary characters.
Also, I do not agree with the idea of "gutting the gender categories entirely". Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 07:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, when I said "gutting the gender categories entirely" I mean that there would be ONE list (on this page, of bisexual television characters), with a table column for gender, rather than a sub-division into "male" and "female". I revised a bit of my above comment to make it clearer, using Wikipedia:Strikethrough, as I don't think I was as clear as I should have been. But, in terms of the nb list, the "Identity" column does provide some ability to break-down characters by their identities, but perhaps more could be done.Historyday01 (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)