Talk:List of battles involving the Ottoman Empire

Reason of revert

I had to revert the additions of 139.130.1.226 . The introductory paragraph of the article clearly states that only the important battles prior to 1900 are listed. But the additions of 139.130.1.226 are Krus'evo and Smilevo village both of which had been fought in 1903. (In the 20th century the Ottomans fought too many battles to be included in this list.) But of course the user may start a seperate article for 20th century battles. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

A revert

I just reverted an addition. That was a fine paragraph about Suleyman I. But it was misplaced. This article is about the list of battles and it is not about the reign of Suleyman. Still I'll copy it here:

The longest reigning Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, and thought of as the most famous, was Suleiman the Magnificent. During his forty-six year reign, Suleyman undertook thirteen military campaigns of conquest. Suleiman personally led Ottoman armies to conquer the Christian strongholds of Belgrade, Rhodes, and most of Hungary before his conquests were checked at the Siege of Vienna in 1529. He annexed most of the Middle East in his conflict with the Safavids and large swathes of North Africa as far west as Algeria. Under his rule, the Ottoman fleet dominated the seas from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. He is mostly remembered as a fierce conqueror of the Islamic religion. In Middle Eastern cultures, however, he is often referred to as a great builder. During his rule as sultan, the Ottoman Empire reached its peak in power and prosperity. He achieved more success in military campaign than any other ruler, because he could put an army of 100, 000 into the field centred on the professional corps of janissaries, Christian-born men from the Balkans, carefully selected and superbly trained, particularly in military—and therefore general—engineering.

The cotributer is wellcome to move his/her paragraph to a more appropriate article. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Bapheus

The Turkish name of Bapheus is not disputable . According to Halil İnalcık:Osmanlılar , Timaş, İstanbul, 2010, p.53. the name is Kouynhisarı. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Traditionally, someone called (and call) it Koyun Hisar (Koyunhisar) Muharebesi or Koyun Hisar (Koyunhisar) Savaşı in Turkey. But today, this issue is disputed. If you want to learn about this problem, you can find some basic information on the page tr:Tartışma:Koyunhisar Muharebesi and links (book etc...) given in same page. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, we don't need modern Turkish names in list and template. Readers who want to know the Turkish names, they can find them in each articles. If dispute/endless discussion　would　take place, let't remove all of Turkish names from this template. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Since Takabeg asked for my opinion, here it is. In Eglish wiki there is no need for modern Turkish names within the article, especially in mass usage like in this article. Although, I am not against them if they will not produce unnecessary edit wars in the future.--Kebeta (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

The name Koyunhisar was deleted because Takabeg has presented a paper claiming that Prof. Halil İnalcık is not certain on the name Koyunhisar (precedings from a conference in Crete). But then I read his book of a later date (2010) in which he clearly satates that the name is Koyunhisar. So there is no dispute anymore. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I didn't read Osmanlı printed by TİMAŞ. Can you translate related sentences for us in Talk:Battle of Bapheus ?

Hammer, for his part, claimed that Bapheus was Koyunhisar. There is other battles of Koyunhisar. Koyunhisar Muharebesi in Turkish Wikipedia is not same as the Battle of Bapheus and categolized to History of Bursa. In Koyunhisar (40°15′N 29°29′E) of Bursa Province villagers celebrated anniversary of the Battle of Koyunhisar. On the other hand, the Battle of Bafeus took place near the center of Altınova District (40°41′N 29°30′E) in Yalova Province. Accoring to sources, the Battle of Bapheus was fought between Nicomedia (40°46′N 29°56′E) and Nicaea (40°25′N 29°43′E).

Anyway let's remove needless modern Turkish names of battles, not only because of desputes and confusions but also to prevent edit wars. About Bapheus,let's continue in Talk:Battle of Bapheus. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 18:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources

I just added the siege of Vienna in 1529, I am surprised that they had not since before ...--Annalium Hispaniarum (talk) 10:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Period

There are too many battles in the 20th century. As noted in the lede this list contains battles up to 20th century. So please don't add 20th century battles. Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Sieges

The original lede written by me is:Among these, the battles fought in the 20th century (Turco-Italian War, Balkan Wars, and World War I ) as well as the sieges (like the sieges of Constantinople, Cairo, Belgrade, Bagdad, etc.) which most lists include as battles are not shown except in cases where the siege is followed by a battle (i.e. Vienna, Khotyn, Plevna). However later edits by other users added the sieges and I decided to rewrite the lede. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, your current rewrite is fallacious, since the list contains WW1, etc. so first please present here your rewrite proposal and wait for confirmation.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:19, 25 February 2021 (UTC))

Inclusion of battles without wiki pages of their own?

A question as to the criteria for acceptance into this list. Some battles do not as of rn have their own pages. This could be because the documentation about the battle is lacking in detail meaning there isn't enough info to fill out a wiki page, maybe only enough for a stub page, or it could be because although there is enough info no one has bothered to make a page yet. Other reasons could be the case as well. This causes the question of should these battles be included here? I can see an argument maybe if the pageless battle is mentioned or shortly explained in the prelude or the aftermath section of another battle's page or smth that they could be included with an embed to the specific section of the page that mentions them, but there are other possible issues as well. Let's say a battle is only mentioned in an obscure primary document with very little detail, nothing from the opposing side's sources even mention the supposed clash, and other sources from the same sides' documents do not include such an incident within their own contents(I have come across these in my time reading about history). Should then a battle like that be included when it is unclear if the battle even happened in the first place? I feel as if a wiki page requirement would be a good filter to eliminate possibly made up for propaganda purposes battles like that with very weak historical documentation. Although it wouldn't be impossible for someone to make a stub for a dubious battle such as that and just embed it here, Wikipedians tend to eliminate stubs with very weak citations, so the wiki page requirement could work as a filter in combination with that. Either way I would like to see a conclusion reached here as to whether having a wiki page should be a requirement for inclusion here or not Cannotpick (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)