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Episode numbering

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Article before today reflected what was aired. Some episodes were extra length specials that were created using two or more production slots but still aired with one set of credits so are single episodes and were counted as such in the article. Also changes in numbering affect inbound links to the #epxx anchors for other articles that link to the exact episode in the list so unconsidered changes are disruptive to that linking. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One aspect of a two part episode is that it actually has two distinct parts. Each part having opening closing credits. See this for an example of a long episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But your point holds no weight. As long as production codes say that each episode is one length or two-length, then it should be counted as such. This applies to every other TV show in the world. Why don't you revert the other TV show articles such as List of Danny Phantom episodes or List of The Fairly OddParents episodes while you're at it? JoesphBarbaro (talk) 21:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What goes into producing an episode is interesting background info but what is documented in article is what is what actually was aired by the network. The fact that a long episode take multiple production slots is interesting but that is not what was broadcast or sold. Check Amazon or iTunes to see the finished product. They show longer episode length but still sell one thing. Also see Zoey 101: Spring Break-Up which was advertised as a (as in singular) 48-minute television film. This was not designed to be parted. Also stuff done incorrectly in other article does not set a precedent to do it wrong in this one (WP:OSE}. Generally we leave stuff alone that has sat for some time as changes such as this are disruptive to inbound linking. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the episodes should be numbered correctly. Spring Break-Up, Goodbye Zoey?, The Curse of PCA, and Chasing Zoey are all one episode and are sold as such. As Geraldo mentions, take a look at the runtime Amazon has. In the cases of the four episodes above, runtime is 48-49 minutes, which clearly indicate they are one episode. If they had something like Chasing Zoey Part 1 (24 mins.) and Chasing Zoey Part 2 (24 mins.), then yeah, but they don't because they were packaged as one episode.
On another related note, it's not wise to continue insisting on your edits, especially after two people have challenged them. If you make an edit and it gets reverted, citing something like corrupt numbering, which is a legitimate reason, the proper thing to do is to take it to the talk page to reach a consensus, not revert again. I will be reverting the article to before this issue began. If the consensus turns to be to label them as a single episode, then you'll have to accept it and not continue insisting on your edits. Amaury (talk) 22:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Amaury, you're being arrogant now, y'know. Why don't you go and revert all the other TV show articles while you're are it? Seriously, do I look retarded to you? You think I don't see what's on Amazing? It's the same exact thing with FOP and Danny Phantom, yet, you're not even doing jack about that. I've reverted your edits again. JoesphBarbaro (talk) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:Other stuff exists. Other articles doing things incorrectly do not set any sort of precedent. It just means the other articles should be fixed as well. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you JoesphBarbaro, this has been going on for along time with Disney and Nick shows. I even hgave brought this up on Many pages as Henry Danger, iCarly, 100 things to do before high school and more. We have many conflicting sites with this. However, http://b2b.viacom.com/mtvni/programs/program.jsp?program=zoey_101 Has 61 episodes for Zoey 101. Witch is not matching. Other shows for instance have the correct numbers. iCarly has 109, Henry Danger has 46, but we have 25 but 26 aired. Same and cat has 36 but on it's page we have 35 episodes. This also goes with BTR and more. This is an official site from the company. Maybe since this is been disputed so many times and have gotten into many arguments across the board we should get a vote on the issue from the TV page here or just admins involved. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 13:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@WP Editor 2012: As has been discussed in this and other articles where this comes up, what goes into making something is not the same as the finished product. It doesn't matter that it took 2 production slots to produce a long episode, the end result is still one episode, not two. Generally when this issue comes up on other articles it gets discussed and consensus reached for what is correct for that particular article. It is generally a bad idea to change episode numbering for long-established articles unless there is also a corresponding commitment to fix the collateral damage of breaking inbound links to the #epnn anchors used to link to the episode table entries from other articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Per the other discussions we've had on this subject, I'm in agreement with Geraldo. If the episode was packaged as two unique episodes, i.e. maybe with a "to be continued" at the end of part one followed by closing credits and opening credits for part two, then a strong case could be made that they are two unique episodes. The production codes are for the studio's internal billing/asset control purposes and should not be used exclusively for determining whether it was one episode or two. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:08, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute among sources about air date of at least one episode

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When I made this edit a few hours ago [1], regarding the air date of the season 3 episode "Michael Loves Lisa", I was going by what I saw listed at Amazon [2] and TV Guide [3], which both list it as episode 7 in the season, airing on January 7, 2007. But then I went and checked Zap2it (a reference we use to source air dates for more recent shows on Disney or Nickelodeon) [4], which shows November 2, 2007 as the air date and is episode 19 in season 3. (That was how it was listed in the article before I made the change.) So which is right?

(Pinging Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Amaury and Nyuszika7H regarding this.)

MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MPFitz1968: I know it's not considered a "bona fide reliable source" around here, but I generally trust EpGuides.com, and they also have the airdate down as January 7, 2007. That's three out of four – I trust that that's the correct airdate, and Zap2It is picking up a rerun of that same episode for its date. Unfortunately, the U.S. Copyright Office can't help us out here – they seem to have no records for Zoey 101 episodes... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:19, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Zap2it seems to get a lot of advanced info but doesn't seem to keep a good record of what actually happened. Amazon generally has the dates correct and TV Guide backs them up. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would always go with The Futon Critic in situations like these. @Geraldo Perez: Although even Amazon seems to have its problems with many series, such as when I brought to your attention Game Shakers last year. Compare List of Girl Meets World episodes#Season 2 (2015–16) to https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B015GXOGJQ?ref_=aiv_dp_season_select starting with "Girl Meets the Forgiveness Project" and going upward through "Girl Meets Goodbye." And even the beginning of season two, which was a week of premieres that was May 11–15, 2015, Amazon has May 11–12, 2015, and then May 14–16, 2015. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The Futon Critic has nothing on Zoey 101 [5]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You know what? – That's odd. I could have sworn that Futon used to have stuff on this and Ned's Declassified..., but when I search under Nickelodeon shows there now, I get nothing for either. Weird. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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