Talk:List of Welsh Americans

Someone needs to kick this off. Do we mean Welsh emigrés to the U.S. or do we include native Americans of Welsh extraction? What about Frank Lloyd Wright, (architect) and D. W. Griffith (movies) for starters? Bobby Jones? (golfer). Any others? Ynysgrif 12:36, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Going by practice elsewhere and common sense, we would include both of those because they are both of Welsh origin (whether themselves or their family) but currently US citizens (and therefore probably would describe themselves as Welsh Americans). Obviously everyone has a bit of everything in them, so we probably want to mainly try to include people who have half or more Welsh blood (whatever that means).

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _talk _contrib 23:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Evans and Roger Williams (at least) need disambiguation. See Wiki-links. Ynysgrif 02:12, 29 Dec. 2005 (UTC)

--Yes, the Wick. Category:Welsh-American list, and others, need to be reconciled with this one. --Welshness is a state of being:I go for all "origins": birth, extraction & attraction! Pob Hwyl!! --Does Jimmy WALES (Wick-creator) see himself as "Welsh" ???? Anybody know? User:Dafyddw 03/11/06

The category is a category for articles about people and this is a list of people. If there is an article on a Welsh American, that article should be (first and foremost) added to the category; however, this list can include people without articles and include additional information about the individuals (which might be helpful for people who want to find out certain sorts of examples of Welsh Americans), such as when they were alive, what their profession was, whether they emigrated from Wales themselves, how Welsh they are, &c.
Not sure how you would decide whether someone was attracted to Wales or what counts as attraction? Sounds rather arbitrary and unencylopedic IMO.
That is an interesting point. I assume names such as Wales and England (as in Lynndie England) used in the US usually belong to people whose ancestors came from those nations. Maybe Jimbo is really a Welshman...

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _talk _contrib 23:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Move

Hopefully this is uncontroversial. I propose moving Welsh-Americans to List of Welsh Americans because:

it is a list (see WP:NC#Lists);
The main article is unhyphenated (at Welsh American) as is the general practice for `national-origin American' on Wikipedia.

When this is done Welsh-Americans should redirect to Welsh American.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _talk _contrib 13:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Rhion 15:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's No Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Welsh" or "Welsh-American" (i.e. as opposed to "of Welsh descent", "Welsh mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source only that fits that please restore the names:

Politicians

John Adams - ancestry almost fully tracks back to England [1]
Samuel Adams - mostly English according to [2]
Hillary Rodham Clinton - paternal grandmother was born in the US to Welsh parents[3], everything else seems English
John Evans - paternal grandfather was Welsh [4]
James Garfield - 20th President of the United States - from [5] "James Garfield’s father’s family is descended from Edward Garfield (or Gearfield, Gaffield, or Gearffild) who was born in England around 1575. There is a tradition that he came from Wales or Chester, near the English-Welsh border. He emigrated to New England in America about 1630, settling in Watertown, Massachusetts. James Garfield’s father, Abram, was born in 1799 in Worchester, MA. Garfield’s mother, Eliza Ballou Garfield, is descended from Maturin Ballou, a French-Huegenot who left France because of the Edict of Nantes. He came to America as part of Roger William’s settlement in Rhode Island in the early 1600s. Eliza’s father was James Ballou. She was born in New Hampshire in 1801." Besides potential distant roots, no reference to him being Welsh-American
John Nance Garner - doesn't look like it [6]
Benjamin Harrison - 23rd President of the United States - no evidence
Benjamin Harrison V - Declaration of Independence signatory - no evidence
William Henry Harrison - 9th President of the United States - no evidence
Stephen Hopkins - does not look like it [7]
Hubert Humphrey - mother certainly wasn't Welsh[8]
Francis Lightfoot Lee - he wasn't, he was English origin[9]
Richard Henry Lee - brother of Francis
Arthur Middleton
John Morton - definitely wasn't [10]
Richard Nixon - 37th President of the United States - had Welsh ancestry on his mother's side somewhere[11]. Nothing else noted. Scottish,Irish,English also mentioned here [12]
John Penn - Declaration of Independence signatory - all sources I saw said he had Welsh ancestry. Didn't see any that said he was a Welsh-American
William H. Seward - United States Secretary of State
Roger B. Taney - Chief Justice of the United States - no evidence
William Williams (1731 – 1811) merchant and political leader, Declaration of Independence signatory - no evidence

Entertainment

Tim Burton - no evidence
Tom Hanks - no evidence
John Lithgow - no evidence
Harold Lloyd - no evidence
Denise Richards - no evidence
Julia Roberts - her father had distant Welsh ancestry
Susan Sarandon - the shakey sources that say her father was Welsh are quite incorrect (no surprise). [13] correctly states "Her parents were Catholics, her mother of Italian/Sicilian extraction, her father a Celt: "Irish, Welsh and English". No evidence that she has been described as Welsh-American.

--Pilipala9 03:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)There is now much evidence that she is a Welsh American - her and 10 of her relatives travelled to Wales to witness their genealogy first hand. It was shown by BBC Wales. Please see references on the article[reply]

Kevin Spacey - no evidence. The only good sources say his great-great-grandfather had a Welsh last name. That's all

Other

Howard Hughes - industrialist, aviator and one time RKO movie mogul - no evidence
Samuel Jones - which Samuel Jones? article did not say
Tommy Lee - his father is described in some trivia sites as Welsh-American. Nothing on Tommy Lee
George Marshall - military leader/Secretary of State - no evidence. Wiki article lists him as Scottish-American
Lowell Thomas (1892 – 1981) writer/broadcaster - no evidence
Norman Thomas (1884 - 1968) socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America - no evidence
Roger Williams - which Roger Williams?

Mad Jack 06:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

its seems like anyone who seems to have even a slightly Welsh sounds name or picked a daffodil is being claimed as Welsh American within this article Vintagekits 22:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although some of Harold Lloyd's ancestors are from north east of England, it is obvious by his surname that he must have some Welsh ancestry. Pontsticill 21:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Dave_Mustaine#User:Jack_O.27Lantern

Accumulation of evidence gathered there on the background of Dave Mustaine. IP Address 14:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What evidence? There isn't a single source that says Dave Mustaine himself has any Welsh ancestry, much less that he is a Welsh-American. Please fine a reliable source that says exactly that. We don't go around connecting the dots to reach the conclusion we would most like to see Mad Jack 16:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS needed

Robin Williams (1951 - present) actor
Tommy Lee Jones (1946 - present) Oscar-winning American actor and film director
Donny Osmond (1957 - present) singer and entertainer. Recently did a concert in Merthyr as a "Coming Home." His mother always used to tell him, his brothers and sister that their singing voices came from their Welsh ancestors. The BBC did a special programme called "Donny Comes Home" following the concert and his search for his ancestors. Great Great Great Grandfather was a doctor in Merthyr.
Kelly Clarkson (1982 - present) Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter
Juliette Lewis (1973 - present) actress and musician

Mad Jack 05:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Cruise, a Welsh American?

Tom Cruise is of English descent, irish, and German by his father and German mother´s side. He is not a Welsh-American. His paternal great-grandfather took the decisión to put the welsh name "Mapother".--88.27.174.176 (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English by his fathers side not German on both86.183.207.198 (talk) 01:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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