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Err.. A Spoiler alert wouldnt hurt you know. What a nice way to find out Yuuki is a vampire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.10.157 (talk) 05:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. I would actually add the spoil alert myself but I just don't know how to do so. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.10.157 (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We don't add spoilers for plot details. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 19:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romanizations?

In the trailer below, Kaname's surname, 'Kuran', was romanized as 'Clan.' Should this be changed here, considering Yuuki's 'Kurosu' has been rendered 'Cross'? Also, Ruka's name was rendered 'Luca' and even so, on that Ruka-fanboy's photo album in the anime.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s1uml-BXn60 75.167.223.8 (talk) 06:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was that an official English dub? Or a fansub? I would watch it but it's been deleted due to copyright infringement.Moocowsrule (talk) 05:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule[reply]

XD Now I feel stupid. I meant like the English Manga, or like the Japanese version. Moocowsrule (talk) 06:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule[reply]

A character under the "Others" section missing

I personally think that Zero's horse (White Lily) that he cared for in episode one and in volume one be in the character list because i predict Zero will use it when defeating Rido. Since the title is called "Vampire Knight" what good will a knight be without its horse? and furthermore, in the story, it was said that only Zero can tame the horse, no one else.

and the Vampire Knight is obviously Zero so yeah..

just a opinion, please if you want me to get what you want to say, just email me at ice124_701002@hotmail.com as i don't really go on wikipedia very often —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.100.207 (talk) 08:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is Wikipedia not you're opinion. I mean you're opinion matters. Well not really because that would contradict neutral point of view. Anyways until "White Lily" becomes actually important in the plot, I don't think it should be added. Plus there's no proof that the "Vampire Knight" is Zero. It could be Kaname. But I never said that.Moocowsrule (talk) 06:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule[reply]

Official English Names

I have changed the names of all the character to the official English names as per this page.

First and foremost, this Wikipedia is an English Wikipedia, where when available, English names should be used instead of romanization. If the name "Cross" is used instead of "Kurosu", then so should "Clan" be used instead of "Kuran".
Secondly, although these names do not follow the consensus, they are nonetheless official. The names that are being used now are nothing more than fan romanization.
For the cases of "Yuuki" and "Kiryuu", the official romanization is "Yūki" and "Kiryū" respectively, and when translated to English "Yuki" and "Kiryu" are normally used.
The anime is not the only media which uses these romanizations, as the manga also uses these translation.

If you still disagree with these edits, please discuss it here. The repeated reverting of edits is getting very tiring. - plau (talk) 01:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please cease and desist your edits. Granted, there is an official english manga, I was mistaken on that, and we would do much better to look to the official English publications than we would to look to what the JP website provides. To the point, the online manga portion you can read free proves that the romanization Kuran is official and not Clan. Meanwhile, you've been editing unilaterally against all the people who've been reverting your edits. You seem to express a refusal to change your behavior unless an ArbCom decision overrides you, which is problematic. (It essentially communicates: "Screw you and everyone who agrees with you. I'm right and I'm gonna do what I say until an administrator MAKES ME STOP!" A bit of an exagerration, but that's somewhat intentional to highlight the underlying immaturity.) I'm assuming that you have been acting under good faith thus far, so I ask of you to cease this unilateral modification. The edit log will show you that there have been numerous edits by various persons who have disagreed with you. I ask you now to resolve this matter in dialogue, and I have reverted your edits one final time. If you have any issues with this, explain them now. If you persist in behaving unilaterally and ignoring all the other editors involved, I will, sadly, have to do as you say and take the matter to ArbCom, which will take up quite a bit of my time, your time, any other editors who wish to move to ArbCom, and the administrator's time. It also might result in blocking of some sort. If possible, I would rather this be avoided. -192.235.8.2 (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, someone has decided to READ the talk page. I was mistaken about the romanization of "玖蘭". Since the manga uses "Kuran", we will leave it at that. However, this does not solve the problem. Let's look at each name individually. There are a few specific cases I have a problem with. By normal romanization conventions, "Yūki" and "Kiryū" are normally romanized as "Yuki" and "Kiryu" respectively. And the manga has also done so, so that should be like that. As for the others, since I have not seen the official standing on this, so I believe a third party is required to judge which one is more suitable for English Wikipedia. We need to discuss whether we use popular fan romanization or official English romanizations. How we are going to find this third party is open for discussion. Until we have come to a consensus, I will leave all the other names except "Yuki" and "Kiryu".

And I am not immature, I consider that a form of personal attack. By that, you are implying that I am the only one at fault, which I'm sure is not true. - plau (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DISCLAIMER: I am blunt, and I state my mind over "considering your feelings." Deal with it.

I've already read it, and, quite frankly, just like when (scroll up) the previous times this idea was recommended it was shot down. Yuki/Kiryu alternative romanizations are similar enough to the original (as opposed to Kuran to Clan) that I doubt much confusion or general consternation would originate by swapping one for the other. I dont care particularly much about the matter, but I, along with what appears to be common consensus, thus far, still prefer Yuuki over Yuki and Kiryuu over Kiryu. My vote lies with the Yuuki and Kiryuu, should anyone wish to cite me for consensus, but I don't find it worth arguing.

A third party is not necessary. (Try MedCab or MedCom if you want one anyway.) There is no real discussion involved here. For encyclopaedic purposes, it's best to use the most commonly recognized naming convention. For precedent (because precedents are funny), we can see that the article on water is refers to it as water and not, in fact, hydroxyl acid, regardless of which terminology is more professional (considering that hydroxyl acid is a more scientific term for the same substance).

You also seem to be neglecting the fact that you are going against consensus and that your level of reverts bordered on edit-warring.

Lastly, you have been single-handedly obstructing several editors who've all disapproved of your romanizations, which is ignoring consensus in favor of your own view of what's right, and even suggested an unwillingness to engage other editors. Get over it. That is immature. If you want to interpret that as a personal attack, good for you. It wasn't, but I don't care. I also wasn't implying you were the only at fault, merely that you were behaving problematically, but, since you ask, yes, in fact, I do believe you are the only one at fault. Now, I do believe you've been acting in good faith, but I also believe that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

PS: I consider "Finally, someone has decided to READ the talk page." a form of personal attack because it implies we are all low and neglectful for not addressing you. -192.235.8.2 (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I insist on taking this to a third party. In addition to finding MedCab and MedCom, I will find others (I'm sure those two will side with you, otherwise you wouldn't even cite them here). I'm taking it to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles), I believe it has the most authority in these matters. I see that arguing here is pretty pointless. I just can't be bothered to go through every point you raise; I have better things to do. On a side note, water is a scientifically approved name while something like "Yuuki" or "Ruka" is a unofficial fan romanization. - plau (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plau's actions are correct. Vampire Knight is licensed for English language release by Viz. As such the Viz spellings will be used. That is the consensus of the project and in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. IP 192.235.8.2 claims of ownership over this list are inappropriate. Now, that said, on the issue of Clan vs Kuran - Kuran is the official spelling used in the manga, and it is the one that will be used here. Kurosu is Cross. Yuki is Yuki. Kiryu is Kiryu. In cases where the character has not appeared in the English release of the manga, then use the standard romanization until they have appeared (I.E. use ū not uu, etc) - AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As Plau decided, apparently the conversation is being continued on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(anime-_and_manga-related_articles)#Fan_romanization_vs_Official_spelling. I wouldn't quite label his actions as correct either, since he did introduce errors and almost engage in wholesale editwarring. His intentions, sure, but not his actions. -192.235.8.2 (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in looking further, he also did not use the correct names in several cases, using the JP romanization over the official English ones, and there was edit warring on both sides. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a mistake on my part and I apologize for that. I am happy to use the names provided by the English manga, only I don't have access to that particular resource. - plau (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool...then it seems we are in agreement on using the English names. :) If there is a question on any remaining names, I have all of the series that has been serialized in Shojo Beat, and can get access to the GNs relatively easy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, I will assume now that the names provided are indeed correct, because I don't have access to the manga. Or could you specifically tell me which names are which. Thanks - plau (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got them all. Trying to avoid reading much more than the headers to avoid spoiling myself to the series ending. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want to spoil the ending, would you mind giving me the list of names so that I could use AWB to keep them intact. - plau (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several can be found in the series description at http://www.shojobeat.com/manga/vk/ and the volume descriptions http://www.shojobeat.com/manga/vk/vols.php. I'm in the midst of moving so most of my issues are packed up except the 08 ones. If there are any questions about a specific one, just let me know. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I got the through your edit history. - plau (talk) 19:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Character section length

The entries for each of the characters, particularly Yuuki, Zero, and Kaname, are getting too long. Each addition is a "per chapter" addition and some of the details are extraneous and can be condensed.

Because the manga is ongoing, developments will occur that can be noted on this page for the character, but for each detail such as "Yuuki meeting Rido for the first time" and then in the next chapter "Yuuki and Zero fight Rido" for example becomes cumbersome to the article. Details should be limited to major events or changes, rather than chapter by chapter additions, which begin to clutter entries and make a character compliliation page look more like summary of the story based on character. 24.84.218.226 (talk) 05:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It really isn't written very well. I mean check out this sentence. "She admired Kaname since she was little until present time". Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?Moocowsrule (talk) 06:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule[reply]

I edited it a bit, but not shortening it by much...Moocowsrule (talk) 06:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule[reply]

It would be nice shortening it... But until at least this manga arc finishes I wouldn't do a thing... Until it finishes people will just keep on editing adding info by each chapter not knowing what's important, when it ends it's easier to see what matters and what doesn't matter, so for now I would only worry about it not growing too much... But making it really smaller and making it stay that way... Doesn't sound easy... Lumi-chan (talk) 14:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really the entire list needs a major overhaul. It is horribly and excessively written from an entirely in-universe perspective with people's person opinions snuck in now and then. Sourcing is sporadically and useless in its current form. The list organization is also too in-universe. No reason to wait until the series is done if someone wants to tackle it. Naruto is an in-progress series and its character list is a featured list, so can be done with work and someone dedicated to keeping the updating under control. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This whole article needs to be split into seperate articles for the main characters. Silverxxangel —Preceding undated comment added 19:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

"No, it doesn't. None of the characters have any real-world notability. The excessive amounts of plot need to be culled down, that is all. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zero's Chunky Bio

First off, I'd like to address a specific section. Near the end of the monologue that is called his Bio, it says something along the lines of him containing the blood of three pure bloods, therefor being the most powerful character and stopping his descent to a Level E vampire, but I hardly see how any of that is true. It is left up to speculation whether he received any of Shizuka's blood by nibbling on his twin, as well as if any of Yuuki's blood still circulates within him. Even if it did, techinically it would be the blood of a normal human as it has been proved before that her blood didn't hold any qualities of a pure blood, hence why Kaname had to resort to offering Zero his own blood. I still wouldn't call him the most powerful character around, as he is not a pureblood and therefor would not absorb the power of a pureblood when drinking one's blood. Yes, he's pretty powerful, but that doesn't make him the strongest character. Strongest character is up to opinion unless a canon statement is made. My second issue with his bio would be how clunky and cluttered it seems. I could easily trim it down to size without getting rid of any of the information (or using pronouns and nouns to start most of my sentences), but I didn't want to do that without some sort of permission or someone agreeing with me that I should...

So says Mew Blackberri who forgot to log in; again. 24.96.182.77 (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree strongly. We do not even know for sure if he has been prevented from falling to Level E status or if the pureblood inside him has merely delayed the process. Many character bio's are simply too long, and updated every time a new chapter comes out. It is unnecessary.. MaddyxKisses (talk) 19:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]