Talk:List of U.S. cities by number of professional sports championships

Why is Houston not even LISTED despite the Rockets repeat NBA Championships in '94 and '95 (the 6th seeded '95 team being the lowest seeded champion ever, after beating teams with the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best season record before a Finals sweep of the 4th best team) and the Oilers repeating as the AFLs first AND second league champions? Among "minor" league champions, Houston also won repeat MLS championships in 2005 and 2006, and repeat 1974 and 1975 championships in the short-lived World Hockey Association, plus the 1989 International Hockey League championship with the same team that won the 2002 American Hockey League championship as one of the AHL survivors to join the AHL. That's 4 "major" championships plus at least 2 (if not SIX) more minor league championships, well ahead of the many teams tied for 23rd with just HALF as many major championships.

Likewise, the NFLs Denver Broncos and NHLs Colorado Avalanche EACH have as many "major" championships as ALL teams from the cities tied for 23rd, as well as 1 MLS, 2 AFL and 1 NLL championship, in addition to being the REIGNING MLL champions (Denvers first championship in that league.) Again, 4 "major" championships, plus another 5 "minor" ones.

Finally, the list incorrectly shows the Dallas Cowboys with 6 NFL championships, even though their loss in Super Bowl V was the first season AFTER the AFL/NFL merger became official, so the Super Bowl-losing Cowboys were the National Football CONFERENCE (i.e. NOT League) champions; Baltimore was NFL Champion (and technically won 6 NFL Championships rather than 5, because their Super Bowl III loss predated the formal merger, and thus they were nominal NFL Champions who "merely" lost the Super Bowl to the AFL Champion Jets, a scenario that also applies to Oakland, Kansas City and Minneapolis in Super Bowls I, II and IV.) 82.164.135.133 (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Puzzled

What is the difference between a dash and a zero in the table? And is there a reason Rochester's NLL and MLL championships aren't listed? Powers ^T 22:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At least on the left (major league) side, the dash indicates that the city doesn't have a major league team in that sport (e.g. Green Bay only has an NFL team, and Orlando only has an NBA team). And if you see numbers that need fixing or updating, go ahead! ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 04:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about former teams? Rochester once had an NFL team. And what about former major leagues, like the American Association and the old American Football League? Powers ^T 12:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rochester, Syracuse, and St. Louis (and tragically Seattle, for that matter) have their NBA championships listed even though they no longer have teams. If it ever won a major league trophy we should put it in. As for the older baseball leagues you mention, I don't yet have an opinion. And since NFL championships are listed from before the Super Bowl, I agree that so should the champions of the 1960 AFL. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 17:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NFL includes champions from 1933, because of there has a formal championship game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamiltonli (talk • contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AFL championships should probably count, then, too, prior to Super Bowl I. Powers ^T 15:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bostonnumber1sports: I have changed this page dramatically and made many corrections. All 8 leagues are up to date as of 12/19/2013 including the totals for the four major leagues. I will be keeping this page updated after every championship. NFL Championships include all AFL & NFL World Championships prior to Super Bowl I. The AFL is the only professional rival league to exist 100% and is now half of the world's #1 league. WHA, ABA & NASL Championships are not included in their respective sports.

Metro areas linked???

Is there any particular reason why many of the cities' links lead to their metropolitan area articles rather than to the articles for the cities themselves or (even better) Sports in Town X? While many teams (even many major league teams) play outside the city limits, there is no reason to make readers work harder to find information about the sports teams in question. They're not called the Auburn Hills Pistons (with the exception of when Disney has owned sports franchises). Since the city itself is what draws teams and supplies fans, I would say that on this page the names of those cities that have it should be linked to whatever their equivalent of Sports in New York City is. And failing that, the city article itself. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 21:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem to make sense to separate, for example, Oakland and San Francisco, but then it seems like you'd also have to separate Minneapolis and St. Paul. Powers ^T 12:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's easier to draw the line on the obvious side of MSP since all their teams are called Minnesota Twins rather than Minneapolis Wild or St. Paul Vikings. To the extent that they might seem worth separating it should be kept in mind that when the Twins hit a home run at Target Field the two decorative wall mascots Minnie and Paul shake hands, signifying the Twin Cities' unity.

So as the table currently stands, the entire Bay Area is listed under San Francisco - both the Giants' and the A's' World Series victories since moving to CA are in that row, for example. We could separate San Francisco from Oakland from San Jose, but between that and Minnesota, where does the line fall? I think it's equally clear we don't want to separate New Jersey from Manhattan from the Bronx from Queens, but would we still be saying that if the Dodgers were still in Brooklyn? And what about in a few years when the Nets move in? I know the comparison doesn't quite fit because Oakland isn't a borough of S.F. But when the Sharks or the Warriors win a championship, doesn't the entire bay resound with victory cheers the same way New York does with (say) the football Giants since Jet fans and other malcontents are spread in just about the same distribution?

I guess I'm saying there's a clear geographic split in some metro areas, in some sports - and not in most others. It's not totally inconceivable that we should split Oakland and S.F. because of their distaste or even enmity over football and baseball, but basketball and hockey would seem to argue for keeping them together. I'll drop a note on the Bay Area task force talk page to see if there's something we, or I, am missing. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 15:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you split San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose, then IMO, you should also split Los Angeles and Anaheim. The Ducks winning the 2007 Stanley Cup did not resonate with the entire LA area, nor did the 2002 World Series champions LA Angeles of Anaheim. There is still that City of LA vs. Anaheim rivalry (see Freeway Series and Freeway Face-Off), similar to San Francisco vs. Oakland (see Bay Bridge Series). Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't particularly have an opinion on the issue of the table, not really being a big sports fan, but as a resident of the Bay Area, I'd like to note that you can't compare San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose to Minneapolis-St. Paul. The Minnesota cities are literally geographically right next to each other and share city limits. San Francisco and San Jose are some 50 miles apart with about a dozen cities in between them. San Jose and Oakland are some 50 miles apart with about half a dozen cities in between them. San Francisco and Oakland have a body of water in between them and share serious psychological rivalry when it comes to at least the NFL and MLB, and have had turf disagreements about moving the 49ers and the Giants/A's to the South Bay. And I don't know if many people in SF/Oakland care about the Sharks.

I also think it's worth noting that San Jose is the 10th most populous city in the U.S. to San Francisco's 13th, and each have about three times the size of Oakland's population. -MissMJ (talk) 19:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But that's my point, MissMJ -- that the two situations are different, but it's difficult to come up with an objective definition of "city" that separates the three Bay-area cities without also separating Minneapolis-St.Paul. Powers ^T 01:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the Minneapolis-St. Paul situation is more of an exception than anything, and shouldn't be used as a "see, this can't work" yardstick. -MissMJ (talk) 02:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well then what about LA and Anaheim? Or New York City and Newark and East Rutherford? Phoenix and Glendale? Boston and Foxborough? Powers ^T 13:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Separate 'em. The list is "U.S. cities..." not "U.S. metro areas..." And the Twin Cities become an exception because of their unique relationship. -MissMJ (talk) 18:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree with that blanket pronouncement. While Foxborough is roughly equidistant between Boston and Providence, and their fan base is (intended to comprise) all of New England, I don't think anyone would disagree that the Patriots are "Boston's NFL team" the same way the Redskins are Washington, DC's team even though they technically play in Maryland. Ditto my above example of the Detroit Pistons, who don't technically play in downtown Detroit. The Pats didn't throw victory parades in the town of Foxborough, they threw them in the city of Boston. I'm inclined to hold the same basic view about New York as well, with the Jets/Giants counting as NYC teams rather than Jersey teams even though they have plenty of fans in Jersey. The question here, for me, is about the Bay Area and Greater L.A. I don't know those places as well, so I'm more likely to defer to others. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 19:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Page moved to List of U.S. cities by number of professional sports championships based on all of the comments and the guideline. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. cities with most sports champions → U.S. cities by number of professional sports championships – It is necessary to disambiguate "pro sports" (for all the reader knows, "most sports champions" includes Little League); "by number" points out that this is a list, not an in-depth analysis like U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports. Original move proposal modified to incorporate complete word in title ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 21:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe U.S. cities with teams win most major professional league champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamiltonli (talk • contribs) 13:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support something like the nominator proposed. I suggest 'professional' instead of 'pro' though—looks more professional. ;-) –CWenger (^ • @) 07:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point. Change incorporated. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 21:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Oh, I'm sorry, a move request... Ahem. Since it is a list, I suggest it starts with "List of". And then delete it as trivia. Rennell435 (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Corrections & Updates

Bostonnumber1sports: I have changed this page dramatically and made many corrections. All 8 leagues are up to date as of 12/19/2013 including the totals for the four major leagues. I will be keeping this page updated after every championship. NFL Championships include all AFL & NFL World Championships prior to Super Bowl I. The AFL is the only professional rival league to exist 100% and is half of the World's #1 league. WHA, ABA & NASL Championships are not included in their respective sports.

I have made all modifications to the market questions above: 1. BOSTON: New England Patriots are 100% Boston. Foxboro is a suburb of Boston and play in the State of Massachusetts. 2. NEW YORK CITY: Football Giants, Rangers, Yankees, Baseball Giants and Knicks originated and represent Manhattan. They are New York City. All other teams are removed. 3. BROOKLYN/LONG ISLAND: Jets, Islanders, Mets and Nets all originated and represent these specific boroughs. The Jets are still headquartered on Long Island, the Islanders and Nets both play in Brooklyn and the Mets play in Queens. Part of Brooklyn and Queens are on Long Island. 4. NEWARK: Removed Devils from New York, they originated in New Jersey and play in Newark. 5. SAN FRANCISCO: 49ers and Giants only. 6. OAKLAND: Raiders, Athletics and Warriors only. 7. SAN JOSE: Sharks, Earthquakes and Sabercats only. 8. LOS ANGELES: Raiders and Rams NFL Championships when they played and won titles in Los Angeles, obviously now gone. Currently Kings, Dodgers, Lakers, Clippers, Galaxy and Chivas USA. 9. ANAHEIM: Ducks and Angels. 10. SAN DIEGO: Chargers and Padres, added San Diego, missing from original list. 11. JACKSONVILLE: Jaguars and Sharks, added Jacksonville, missing from original list. 12. FT WAYNE: Pistons for one NBA Title, added Ft. Wayne, missing from original list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonnumber1sports (talk • contribs) 02:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeoman's work - thanks for hashing all that out! Lumping the Jets in BK/Qns is fine for the moment, because when they won Super Bowl III they were playing at Shea. It's an open question for me which row to add to if they win another at some point (since they play in New Jersey, and their fan base is all over the city, I don't think anyone would say they're a Long Island team even if they moved their front office out to Montauk). But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. But I'm not sure where you get your Fort Wayne number from - the Pistons won both the 1944 and 1945 NBL championships; then lost both the 1955 and 1956 NBA championships, before moving to Detroit. I'm not opposed in principle to counting NBL championships, but then the number should be 2, and Minneapolis should go up one for the 1948 Lakers. And if we do that, then it would probably behoove us to take another look at the ABA to determine its major league status. Prior practice on this page has been not to count it as equivalent, since unlike the NFL and AFL the two leagues never played a combined championship series and only four (out of 12) ABA teams ultimately joined the NBA. It's probably a lot simpler to treat the NBL as a minor league - our page List of NBA champions counts the BAA, but not the ABA or NBL. And similarly to the ABA, only five NBL teams ultimately joined the BAA/NBA. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 17:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zenswashbuckler, I totally agree. For Football, the pre Super Bowl AFL-NFL Championships should obviously count 100%. For Hockey, Baseball and Basketball it should only be the NHL, MLB & NBA. The NBL should not count just like the WHA, ABA & NASL. I will make the adjustment now. I do think the Jets have a much bigger fan base on Long Island and are Long Island fan based more than anywhere. Manhattan and New Jersey are dominant Giants, I have been to a lot of games there and know a lot of people in that area, and they are mostly Giant fans. This page is great, I like working it and thanks for the good words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonnumber1sports (talk • contribs) 23:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ft. Wayne removed, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonnumber1sports (talk • contribs) 23:42, 20 December 2012 (UTC) Bostonnumber1sports (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Good call on Oklahoma City!!![reply]

NFL Champions pre Championship Game

I corrected the article for teams like Green Bay, reading through this I thought consensus was for only championship games/series to count . . . i.e. the 1884 National League Champions would count then since they are similar format to the 1928 NFL champions, just declared at the end of the season? I don't anticipate any disagreement over this but would be interested in other opinions if I am missing something here. ^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 12:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flushing, Queens teams are part of New York City, not Long Island

The separation of Bronx, East Rutherford and Manhattan teams from Queens teams is arbitrary and inconsistant. There is good reason to separate Brooklyn from New York City and Nassau Country from New York City. This is because these teams were conceived and marketed as something other than a "New York City" team. However, the Mets and Jets were not conceived to cater to a separate fanbase than the general NY fan base. The Mets were established to cater to National League fans over the entire New York Metro area. Likewise, the Jets were founded as the New York representative of the AFL. The fact that a team draws a larger percentage of its fans from Long Island should not override the way the original and current owners of the teams present themselves. For example, the Mets had World Series parades in Manhattan after both of their championships while the Islanders had their parades in Nassau County after their Stanley Cup victories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.68.1.2 (talk) 19:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think some of the problem you are running into is that the fanbases aren't Manhattan, perhaps instead of labeling the Jets, Nets, Mets and Islanders Long Island we could label the Yankees, Knicks, Rangers, Giants Manhattan? A recent facebook fan map has put the 5 boroughs into Giants territory and Nassau County into Jets territory. Interesting discussion would love other views on this.^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 13:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the Facebook county map is that by its nature it can only give you the "first past the post" number - so there are more Jet fans in Nassau County than there are fans of any other NFL team... but you'd be crazy to extrapolate there are no (or negligible numbers of) Giants fans there, or that there aren't any Jet fans in Manhattan or Newark. "Team territory" is maybe not essentially bogus, but at least a very foggy concept (remember there are Red Sox bars in Manhattan and even a Yankee bar or two in Boston...), and we're better off sticking to metro areas rather than trying to break it down by neighborhood or borough. The problem with splitting this up too small is that fan borders are hazy, particularly where not every sport is represented in one particular geographic spot (for example, Bay Area hockey fans might all get together on the San Jose Sharks, but turn on each other with knives when the talk turns to Niners-Raiders or Giants-A's). My instinct would be to treat New York as New York Entire and continue to include the Dodgers, Mets, Jets, and Islanders there, and (if we must) add a separate line for BK/Qns to count only those teams, with a footnote or asterisk leading down from the full NY line. If the BKQ line can be attached or stuck to the NYC line so that it travels with it no matter how the chart is sorted, so much the better but hardly essential. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 14:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, metro areas and numbers are the only right fix for a matter like this.^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 12:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bogus numbers

It seems that some editors keep changing Green Bay from 10 to 13 (the NFL "pennant" number prior to even a title game) and likewise for Chicago with the Bears and Cardinals pre-title game and New York. I have reverted these. I see that this has been discussed before and although 1966 and even 1960 are the "modern era" the problem with awarding both Houston/Buffalo/Dallas and Green Bay/Chicago/Baltimore with titles during these years (pre-Super Bowl) is that you would need to award AL and NL pennants to baseball teams prior to 1905 (save 1903's World Series). The other big misnomer in these tables and something that I have added below long ago was that NO ONE IN PHILADELPHIA lives and dies by how the OAKLAND A's are doing, likewise for Chicago born & breds not growing up with tales of how the St. Louis and then Phoenix Cardinals came back in that game in '72 or '92 or '02, and do I even have to point out that you can't get a room together of Dodger fans in Brooklyn anymore, seriously doubt any Bostonian is going to speak up for the Braves when they come in to town to play the Sawx etc. etc. What makes this laughable is that the city sports articles like Sports_in_Chicago#Chicago_teams and Philadelphia#Sports don't even acknowledge the Zephyrs, Cardinals, Warriors or A's in their championship tables. What I suggest is that the main table (if editors wish to keep the present one lower on the page that's fine) should only reflect the title of the entire sport, nothing pre-1903 in baseball, pre-1967 in football etc. and if a city lost a team then the totals--like that franchises fan in that locale--evaporate. It really is the only apples to apples that fits every sport. Without that the 1900 Brooklyn Dodgers would count for New York when all they won is a pennant, and then the ABA teams in the 1960s even though I see the logic above is that it wasn't a complete merger so none should count, if the table is with cities than why does Dallas count an AFL franchise that spent 6 months in town? Heck the Pittsburgh Condors have more of a claim to a title for their community than the Dallas Texans, no season tickets for those fans to go watch them defend a title. Some WP:Commonsense needs to be applied here. If a 6 month Dallas Texans existence title counts than throw in National League and Players League pennants from the 1880s and the Kentucky Colonels and Utah Stars, they had a greater impact on their city than a Dallas AFL team. And I would really love to meet the living person that attended a Chicago Cardinals/Philly A's/Boston Braves game . . . and still roots for them.^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 12:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a certain amount of work, but I think the best way to deal with it would be the way it's done in the article List of North American cities by number of major sports championships. There, it's actually two tables, one organized according to the actual number of championships won in the city, and one organized according to the number of championships won by teams that are still in that city. Dodgers/Braves/football Cardinals notwithstanding, there are a lot of Minnesota and Seattle basketball fans who will come for our heads if we unilaterally switch to only counting teams that stayed. Of course, if we do set out to make the separate table, there's a question of article redundancy - do we really need this article if that one is already a) identically laid out, and b) more comprehensive? Something to think about. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 14:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree on all points and thanks for the quick reply Zen Swashbuckler. 2 lists may satisfy everyone involved and be more historically representative from both vantage points.

Something I am toying with is make a very compacted version of the city sports articles here so that current fans and current city descriptions are used. Posting numbers for cities like New York are confusing since they include up to 4 baseball teams, possibly graphs inside graphs one day.^{Market St.⧏}_{⧐ Diamond Way} 00:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The AAFL was definately not a major league. It was a minor league which ceased to exist after just four years, having only three of its teams absorbed by the NFL (and the original Baltimore Colts went bust within two years). This was no merger of equals like NFL-AFL. AAFL should not count.24.132.21.52 (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with the greater metropolitan area argument

Boston has not won four Super Bowl Championships. The New England Patriots are headquartered in Foxboro, Massachusetts. The argument given for this is that Foxboro is a part of the Greater Boston area; however, Foxboro is 22 miles from Boston. Foxboro is actually closer to Providence, Rhode Island than to Boston. The logic used to give Boston the Super Bowl titles won by the Foxboro based team could also be used to give Milwaukee, Wisconsin claim to the championships won by the Green Bay Packers. Other cities within the New England area have just as much claim to the Patriots as the people of Boston, thus the only fair option would be to attribute the championships to the city where the team is actually located.Tntidwell40 (talk) 18:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.37.27 (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you want to do the work... you should also incorporate the Auburn Hills Pistons, the Prince George's County Native American Racial Slurs, the Glendale Coyotes, the Queens Mets, the New Jersey Jets and the New Jersey Giants, the Long Islanders, the Brooklyn Islanders (and Nets) (and Dodgers), the Cobb County Braves, and the Miami Gardens (not to be confused with Miami) Marlins and Dolphins. Including properly changing out all the numbers in all the towns you're divesting of "their" teams. The work of separating out Anaheim from L.A. appears to be done already, so there's something. Good luck! ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 16:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

False equivalency because the Pistons are marketed as the "Detroit Pistons," same thing with the Jets and Giants being called the "New York Jets and Giants," and so on. So it makes sense to assign those championships to the cities for which the teams are named. On the other hand the Patriots are not called the "Boston Patriots," they are the "New England Patriots" so their championships shouldn't be assigned to Boston at the expense of other NE cities. If we're going to count Foxboro, MA as being part of Boston's greater metro area, then championships won by Anaheim should belong to Los Angeles, championships won by Oakland should belong to San Francisco, championships won by Newark should belong to New York, and so on down the line. All of those suburbs are closer to their respective cities than Foxboro is to Boston. 167.206.19.2 (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If they'd thrown a Super Bowl parade in Foxborough, that line of thinking would make sense. But none of those other cities is a suburb of its counterpart. The Ducks marched the Stanley Cup through Anaheim. Ditto the New Jersey Devils. Hell, even the Islanders went through Nassau County, which (unlike Foxborough) is, or was at the time, actually the geographic center of their fan base. The other teams that actually play in suburbs all paraded through their named hometowns rather than the municipalities they technically play in, including the Patriots through Boston. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 16:28, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BOSTON: New England Patriots are 100% Boston. Foxboro is a suburb of Boston and play in the State of Massachusetts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.147.230 (talk) 20:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unbiased site combining multiple and equitable sources. https://bosnemausa.wixsite.com/citymostsportschamp/index — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.147.230 (talk) 03:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move total to the right of MLS

In my opinion, the 5 major men's league champions overall column should be moved to the right of MLS, since it is adding up the four currently to it's left and MLS. If I get the time and remember to, I will do it soon. If someone else wants to, feel free. Elisfkc (talk) 19:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not 100% convinced those moves make sense. Absolutely MLS (and soccer in general) is growing in interest, attendance, and revenue. But has it actually succeeded in breaking in to the top level? Compare Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada:

The NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL are commonly referred to as the "Big 4". Each of these is the wealthiest professional club competition in its sport worldwide, and along with the English Premier League they make up the top five sports leagues by revenue in the world.

Or U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports:

There are 12 U.S. cities with teams from four major sports, where "city" is defined as the entire metropolitan area, and "major professional sports leagues" as:

Major League Baseball (MLB), consisting of the National League founded in 1876, and the American League founded in 1901

National Hockey League (NHL), founded in 1917

National Football League (NFL), founded in 1920

National Basketball Association (NBA), founded in 1946

Or MLS vs the major leagues: can soccer compete when it comes to big business?:

The league’s new TV deal is for $70m a year. That’s about a ninth of the NHL’s combined TV revenue, an 11th of the MLB deal, a 13th of the NBA deal … and way behind the NFL. So if the MLS has two thirds of the teams and about a fifth of the history, why such a big disparity?

The answer lies in the other major difference between the MLS and NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL. Those leagues largely have monopolies on talent. Yes, some good baseball players play in Japan and Cuba, but most make their way to MLB. European basketball has grown by leaps and bounds, but the NBA is the destination point. Russia has a good hockey league but the best Russian player, Alex Ovechkin, laces up his skates for Washington, not St Petersburg.

In comparison, MLS has to compete with the leagues of Europe and the riches of Mexico.

Willing to be convinced, but I don't believe MLS quite makes the "big four" into a "big five" just yet. ☯.Zen Swashbuckler.☠ 16:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I moved them is because someone else had listed Major League Soccer as one of the "five major leagues" and the column said "5 major men's league champions overall" before I got here. It made no sense in that case for the MLS column to be to the right of the Major Championships total. That being said, I do believe it is one of the "Big Five" leagues, but I really don't feel like having an discussion or argument about it right now, since I have finals coming up soon. Elisfkc (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Title to include 'men's' or male's

Since female professional teams do exist, it would perhaps be more relevant to include this term in the title? Jany Grégory Keochkerian (talk) 22:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jany Grégory Keochkerian I agree it should be more specific. another solution would be to include WNBA and NWSL. Ctsinclair (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no sources

An article with zero sources. Isn't that, like, not allowed? Schnapps17 (talk) 05:21, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

North American Metro Cities By Major Sports Championships Link

https://metrocitysportschamp.wixsite.com/citymostsportschamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.247.73 (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a major cleanup is in order

How does San Francisco have 0 NBA championships? How many other things are wrong with this table? Because the Warriors Titles were won in Oakland.

Also, does this effectively duplicate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_cities_by_number_of_major_sports_championships — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.245.198 (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Boston 10 MLB Championships?

Looking at Boston, everywhere I look, I only see 9 World Series championships.

Is the 10 including the 1904 season which didn't have a championship game (because the New York Giants opted not to participate in postseason play)? Unless it's that, I can't find any justification for calling it 10 championships, so if someone could enlighten me on it, that would be great. Otherwise it needs to be changed to 9.

No, it includes the Boston Braves victory in the 1914 World Series. Oluwasegu (talk) 04:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Denver Nuggets just won 2023 championship yesterday?

Just wondering if author can add 1 win for Denver under NBA tab? Denver Nuggets Offically did just win the championship last night?? Please and Thank you!! 65.128.133.217 (talk) 11:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From User:2603:9009:500:1F97:7893:5017:5E9F:BB9B

(moved from article space) Detroit championships are neglecting Daseball championships in 1930s. I believe the Pistons have 4 basketball championships. Joyous! Noise! 18:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Basketball League

The National Basketball League (United States) was the major basketball league in the United States up to its merger with the Basketball Association of America in 1949 that created the NBA. Five current NBA teams played in the league; Lakers, Pistons, Kings, 76ers and the Hawks. It is reasonable to conclude that its championships should be included on this list. Alvaldi (talk) 10:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]