Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes

Day of Sagittarius (ep 11)

I think it's wrong to tell the end of the episode "The day of Sagittarius". Just an introduction will do just fine.

Can the person who added all the details for episode 11's triva explain them a bit further? I.e. why there is a Star Trek referens to the episode etc. Victor b04 01:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I saw someone said Nagato's battle bridge reminds him of Borg, but this may be misinformation. See here for Togo Heihachiro info. (Check Progress of the Battle of Tsushima, 05:05 and 13:55). 16:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Macross 7 parody, I think I remember Basara saying, "Battle/war is meaningless! Listen to my song!" While Haruhi said, "Previews are meaningless! Listen to my song!" ThunderCloud 04:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The Tchaikovsky piece is only used for the climax of the space battle, starting when Yuki begins her explanaion. Given the other details provided, that would mean the Shostakovich work was used as the main in-game music. I'll have to track down the symphony to verify, though. ModernComet 20:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Live A Live (ep 12)

Is the episode titled "Live Alive" or "Live A Live"? The katakana fits for either, and one fansub group went ahead and assumed "Live A Live." Any other opinions? --Crisu 21:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It should be Live Alive. It is the title that appeared in my official Chinese version of novel (The Agitation of Haruhi Suzumiya). Leeyc0 23:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Live Alive since it makes more sense.--Juhachi 23:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The title is homage to Live A Live game.16:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm reading from one place that a "Live" is a shorthand term for a live concert. Since Haruhi performs a live concert in this episode, she is "living a Live", hence "Live A Live." --Crisu 15:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, "Live Alive" make more sence since it implys Haruhi is "living in a excite, active way", as shown in the episode. Also, I think we should stick to official translation if it is already available. (It appeared in Chinese version of the novel.) --Leeyc0 01:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV (ep 10)

During the battle, Ryōko askes Yuki, "You love Kyon-kun, don't you? I know you have realized it," in sped up and reversed "incantation" Japanese.

That sounds so fake... Darkoneko 00:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Yuki is just interested in books and computers. Victor b04 01:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

You will find that what Ryōko says is not impossible, if you have read the novels. (There are also some hints that Yuki is gaining feelings day by day in the novel.) But again, I'd like to ask how to confirm this, e.g. the processed audio clip. Otherwise, I would also consider it being fake if no proof is found. I would also like to say that, if there is another trivia that is not obvious, please state that how to figure out. This anime is very hard to understand if you have not read the novels, and others may get alarmed that if someone mentions things that is not appearent in the anime, since it is not in the order of the novels published, and the anime is only a selection of the novels. (I bought all the novels after watching the first few episodes in order to understand the plot. (Chinese translated version, only the first 6 novels are published)) Leeyc0 01:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm also skeptic on the validity of that trivia. The only place where Ryoko says an incantation to Yuki in that fight is at 11:13 and lasts less than a second.--Juhachi 02:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Here are proofs. movie blog(Japanese)16:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, although I am unable to hear anything in the video, I still take it for granted. --Leeyc0 14:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't hear anything in that clip. Is there a better one anywhere? -- Nate

Ouendan and other questionable trivia

While Haruhi is clearly in male cheerleader uniform, this is more likely to be a direct reference to male cheer squads (which is the literal meaning of ouendan) than the video game. Call it common background.

The Escaflowne reference strikes me as rather tenuous. Any sources to indicate intention or why they would choose to make such a brief homage to another series?

--Confucious 17:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Watch the opening of Escaflowne! The first scene is exactly the same as the first scene in Haruhi's opening, with Hitomi replaced by Haruhi! Seriously, just watch it, I'm not talking about a bit similar, I'm talking about being exactly the same. The correlation with the song's lyrics was more speculative, but I thought it might be possible since there was a CLEAR REFERENCE to Escaflowne at the beginning.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q_D15gOoUrw&search=escaflowne%20opening <- Watch through to the zoom on Hitomi's face

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2aGkRkzVK-o&search=haruhi%20opening <- Now Haruhi. Note the zoom is done in the exact same way, and the scene is basically the scene from Escaflowne sped up.

With regards to the Oendan, I should have brought it up first (although in my defense there are simillarly speculative statements about series higher up on the page). It seemed to me not unlikely, given Haruhi's propensity to reference Nintendo DS games, that a reference would be made to Oendan.

-- Nate

I don't know, still, it seemed a bit generic. I'm not convinced it's unique to Escaflowne. -- Ned Scott 03:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

How many series do you know of where the camera starts out with a left back angle shot of the main character on a desert landscape watching a falling star, followed by a diagonal camera zoom and pan up to a profile of the main character's face, followed by a bright light illuminating them? If there are any others which are as similar as these two are, please share them. In addition, there's the less obvious similarity later in the video of the main character moving through a tunnel of stars that are falling upward. The way this is done is fairly different, but the fact that multiple similarities exist suggest that it's probably more than just coincidence. Look, I've done my part. I have proven my claim that the first scene of these two show's openings is extremely similar. Now, if you want me to believe that this is in fact a common anime opening, you need to uphold your end of the argument and show it. -- Nate

Asahina Mikuru's Adventure

How are we sure that it's ep. 11? There's still episode 6 open, possibly, unless it'll take two more episodes to close the Melancholy arc. Mekryd 03:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to check, but in a few episodes they make reference to having already done the movie. -- Ned Scott 04:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

We know for sure where all the episodes are except 5, 6, and 11. Since the culteral fest has already happened by 13 (chronologically) (and we already know 12 (chronologically) is the culteral fest from the preview), it's only logical to assume that the first episode aired is episode 11 chronologically. That leaves them enough time in episodes 5 and 6 to finish up a two parter to end the series. I already know what they'll be about since I know what happens in the novel, so I can say for sure that the first episode, Mikuru Asahina's Adventure, is # 11.--Juhachi 12:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I just don't see them needing two episodes to finish up the Melancholy arc. There's not much else to do, is there? Show the Organization and the rebuilding incident, what else? They seem to have skipped over the showing the Organization part, too, since they've already given the snow white clue.

Update: Ah, it makes slightly more sense now that I've seen Day of Sagittarius. >_>; Mekryd 16:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the show will have more than one season? one can hope! :) -- Ned Scott 16:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

It'd be really disappointing to not see some eventual continuation, considering the relatively high attention this anime's been given. They do have the material waiting for them. Mekryd 16:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Mikuru's Adventure must be after The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya (Chronologicall EP 7) and before Live A Live (Chronologically EP 11). Tsuruya doesn't meet Taniguchi and Kunikida until the baseball tournament in EP 7 and considering all three are in the movie it must be after that. It's very plausible that the movie production occured after the events of Remote Island Syndrome since it basically gives them the rest of the summer to start or plan for it. Fox816 21:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Isn't this kind of like beating a dead horse? This discussion is over a year old and was only prevalent back when we didn't know that it was episode 11 chronologically, but that was cleared up by the end of the series last year.--十八 23:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Is there is a reference source for the ending dance?

Someone claim that the ending dance has a reference from here. As least I can identify the dancing steps from these time: 30", 1' 23", 2' 03", 2' 40". Before I put it in trivia, I would like to ask about other opinions. Leeyc0 13:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems too vague and generic to really say that Haruhi sourced the dance from here. The similarities only last for a second or two, so it could just be coincidental. --Crisu 14:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

If there are four similarities found from the same dance (and all similarities are not trivial in my opinion), I would say it is more than coincidence. Leeyc0 15:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

After watching the whole video, I saw way too many similarites with the Haruhi ED video to say it's a mere coincidence. I would definately believe the whole Haruhi dance was taken from that video and only slightly (very slightly) altered.--Juhachi 15:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I would be willing to bet that there is a relation, especially since both videos have one of the people holding out their index finger and twirling it toward the viewer at the same time they're saying "suki". In addition, there seem to be a lot of shared moves.

It's actually funny this was brought up here since I had already seen a reference made at another site. Here's the pic they posted: [1]--Juhachi 21:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Lets not forget that there are some dance moves that are simply used a lot, and if there isn't much connection other than slicing apart one version to make it fit to another, then I doubt there's a real connection. -- Ned Scott 02:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

That's why I raised this question here. In my opinion, these steps are not common enough to be used a lot. But I am not an expert in dancing, so I asked here. Leeyc0 02:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

In addition, though, there's the fact that about four moves, at least two seconds of footage from each, is an identical dance. If it were just taking individual moves and trying to put them together, it would seem less likely, but since many of the moves are there, in the same order as the moves in Haruhi, it seems like more than a coincidence. -- Nate

In any case, even if it's true, it's not verifiable. WP:V states "'The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Until we get, say, DVD commentary or an interview where someone says that it was inspired by, or whatever, I don't think we should include it, as it's too disputable. -- Ned Scott 04:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I totally argee with this point. Unless we can find something that can verify with this, it seems better to put it aside. It may also fall into the original research category. By the way, should we make a cleanup to the trivia, because there may be many unverifiable information? --Leeyc0 04:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

But consider this: If the song wasn't already verified at some time in the past, then how would someone have come across the music video? Isn't that an even bigger coincidence than having the dance steps be similar? And when you consider just how much of the Haruhi Suzumiya anime is taken from other things, it's easy to believe. But sure, we'll wait for verifiability.--Juhachi 05:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course, I still believe that the ending dance is taken from another music video, even without other sources. But Ned Scott is also correct in terms of verifiability. (But I would be more convinced that we have fell into the trap of original research, since there is no reputable source on the comparision of dances. :-) When we apply this critiera, many trivia items would need to be cleaned up (e.g. the incantations). --Leeyc0 05:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Haruhi has a lot of references in it, but they're also more explicit. I'm gonna have to see this is a coincedence, if Haruhi was doing a homage to the group, it would be a LOT closer in style (like the guitar scene reference in Live Alive)

Most likely, it's just a fluke. People will see what they want to see in things, how do you think people find "secrets" hidden in backwards music? --69.247.169.233 12:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Status

I would say that it's fairly likely that the trivia section will (not unjustifiably) be nearly completely cut soon, due to the lack of good references and primary sources. Since that seems to be the path of things, I have a suggestion that may help the situation. It may be best for people who would like to continue searching for such trivia to move off of Wikipedia (possibly its own Wiki page), and create a new site somewhere to list likely references and trivia for Suzumiya Haruhi. Wikipedia could then link it in an external link, as a site with speculative information. As the site would no longer be subject to Wikipedia's guidelines, original research would be fine, as long as it was shown to be justified. This would also allow a group of people to be dedicated to finding these similarities, and hopefully be able to provide more accurate references, and better justification. Thus, the information would be available, and could remain slightly speculative (which is a good thing for people searching for references in a parody show), and the Wikipedia page could retain its standards. --Nate

SOS-dan Wiki may be a good site for these trivia. I will move those trivia to that site once I confirmed that site is suitable for the trivia to live with. --Leeyc0 14:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, yes, the SOS-dan Wiki welcomes new information. It's still a growing wiki, so pages need to get filled up first before we start shaving down excess info. And since it's a series-specific wiki anyway, there's more freedom for nitty gritty details and obscure references. ..Thanks for copying the images over, too! --SOS-dan Wiki SysOp Crisu 15:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I say that since the trivia section is now at a different wiki, that the link should be moved back to the main article, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, which I'll do now.--Juhachi 20:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Needs clean up

I myself don't know what is the order very well, but the list starts by showing first aired episode and ends with las episode in the timeline, the 9th aired.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.220.17 (talk • contribs)

The reason it was changed is due to the order it will be released in English, and since we are the English Wikipedia, it would make sense to follow this ordering of events, despite the other order being the way in which it was aired.--十八 08:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Which order? The chronological order? Or is it a third order? Because right now, the list isn't sorted by either, so if it's being released with a different order than the two given, it's info that needs to be added. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 09:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The order given presently is the order that appears with the English DVDs. More information can be found here.--十八 10:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So chronological order with the same first episode as airing order. BTW, the page you linked says the special edition will have the airing order, so maybe that should be put in the article somewhere if it isn't. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 10:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, there are spelling mistakes that I'll fix later if they aren't. And I personally think the new summaries are too detailed. Some of the table text is formatted wrong and overlaps with lines for me. I don't think this article is quite ready for FA review. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the things that was brought up in the FA review was to have longer summaries. I don't believe that they are too detailed at all.--十八 18:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just read over them, and they're all fine to me except for "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 4", which I think goes into too much detail about some things instead of being more broad like the rest of them. I'll change it if no one minds. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hows: "Ryoko is concerned about a melancholy Haruhi following the SOS Brigade's weekend field day. Kyon receives an anonymous note in his shoe locker asking for a meeting after school in an empty classroom. Kyon finds Ryoko waiting for him, who is revealed to be a humanoid interface. Being tired of merely observing Haruhi, Ryoko tries to provoke Haruhi by killing Kyon, but fails due to Yuki's interruption. Kyon receives another note, and finds a future Mikuru waiting for him. The future Mikuru gives Kyon a clue for the future."? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sortable episode format

I've been working on a format this morning that will be sortable. I still have some tweaking to do to make the table borders show up correctly, but here's a working copy at User:Ned Scott/sandbox7 (using template at User:Ned Scott/sandbox6). Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 19:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Since sortable requires the episode numbers (or whatever you want to sort by) to be the full length of the episode row, I have no problem with having the numbers to the left or right of the entry. -- Ned Scott 19:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the images should be able to display to the side of the title (at the topish) like they were before, making the only real change the length of the episode number cells. And the table headers should also be able to show a separate cell for original air date (it just won't be sortable). I ran out of time to make those examples, since I have to go to work. -- Ned Scott 19:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

And the images off to the side can still have the text wrap around (if my idea is correct)! Ok, I'm actually going now.. -- Ned Scott 19:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to be blunt here. I don't like how the episode columns look. They're very narrow with nothing in them. I was thinking last night that the order sorted with should be at the left, sort of like a standard list, and then the other two orders can stay on the right like before. How does that sound? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't like how they display either, but as far as I can tell that's the only way to make it sortable. (crap, I'm gonna be late) -- Ned Scott 19:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Although, it doesn't bother me that much, and I find it a fair trade off to make the list sortable when needed. Like I said above, after more tweaking the format will look the same as the old, except for the episode numbers being the full length. -- Ned Scott 00:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I like this a lot (if I may say so as the one who proposed it ;-). Thanks Ned. Also, with the inline screenshots the extra column space doesn't make the table a lot wider than it has to. I propose that we make this a new template and use this new table in the article. (BTW, no fair use in user space, redirect the sandbox to the article.)--GunnarRene 14:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't really know if we need the backwards episode ordering, though. Still, with the episode numbers visible, it should not pose a problem. --GunnarRene 14:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding images

I went ahead and added a short reason on why I uploaded the picture for the last episode aired. See here. Is this what's needed, as asked for in the featured list nomination? If so, can I add them for the others? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that description is a lot better. Also If possible, I think it would better to upload images with a smaller width x height. It will give the people who check Fair Use images less of a footprint to remove the images. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 13:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Episode Order Columns

This may be trite, but I'm getting annoyed by the fact that they're on the right side. Try looking at the episode title, then looking which order the episode falls under. Those eye muscles are movin' a lot. Just wondering if anyone else has the same impression. KyuuA4 18:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The episode titles are placed on the right on the standard {{Japanese episode list}} template, so I don't see any reason why the style should change just for this article.--十八 22:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the only reason we did that was because of the image placement, which has now changed. {{Japanese episode list}} will actually swing the episode number to the other side if you don't have an "|Image=" parameter. I'm fine with either side -- Ned Scott 00:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that moving the columns to the left will improve navigation, for both templates. I don't see why the image parameter warrants such a shift. –Pomte 01:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

i'm confused with the episodes

can you please tell me real order? not based on the time they were aired but the episode list following the real story.. oooooooooohhhh, i can't understand.... Halibel 05:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be the C column. -- Ned Scott 05:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand the chronology of the series now, but which is the better way to watch it? In the order it was aired, or chronologically? Does watching it chronologically spoil certain episodes, does watching it in the aired order make it more interesting? Any help would be great because I want to enjoy this series as much as possible.--Ashogo

A bit off topic, but what the hell.. An interesting question. I myself watched it in broadcast order (column A) and enjoyed it greatly. The "last episode", The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 6, is a great way to end the show. You won't actually spoil anything when watching it in another order, and it's very enjoyable regardless of the order. The only thing I would say is that Someday in the Rain (chronologically and DVD order) is a bit mellow to be a last episode, but hey, some might like it better that way. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 6 just as more of a punch to it (even though other episodes happen later, no other episodes spoil what happens in it). -- Ned Scott 04:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm getting off topic too, but it's not completely true. I realized what was going to happen in the last episode during the baseball episode in broadcast order (nothing else would make Kyon act that way, IMO). But I agree, the chronological last episode is probably the least exciting out of every episode, and I would not have liked it as a final episode. And the final scene of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 6 is a lot more enjoyable as the last episode. However, if you do watch it in broadcast order, feel free to watch it in chronological order as well so you can more easily catch some of the stuff that originally didn't make sense when they were out of order. This is way too off topic, so I'm going to stop here before I get any further. Contact me on my talk page if you want more info. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 16:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot for the info. I'm going with the broadcast order, but I may rewatch it chronologically later to make a little more sense of it.--Ashogo

Part of the confusion can be remedied by making a note as to how the episode opens. I started this, but Fox18 removed the edits as not necessary. I agree my formatting was overly intrusive, but there needs to be something here to identify episodes without having to watch each one all the way through. Gregconquest (talk) 06:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

You identify episodes by their title and the content. You practically never remember one by its opening line. It's unnecessary and extraneous. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 08:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Several episodes have no title screen, and with the multiple episode order lists, something listing the first screen would be helpful. Isn't there some way of adding a small note? I have renamed my episode filenames successfully now, but it was difficult... Nonetheless, I concede the point if you all insist. 219.204.103.83 (talk) 10:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Chronological Order

Hi - I would suggest that The Day of Saggitarius should go in between "Remote Island Syndrome 2" and "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina Episode 00" since in "A Day in the Rain" there is a direct reference to the school festival at the beginning and that itÄs over which happened in the episode "Live A Live". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.158.4.89 (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The order supplied has been verified to be correct, so there's no need to change it.--十八 21:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the episodes should have their own articles

I think if we do it that way, the summaries could be more detailed and everything. --Sango4ever 00:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Find sufficient coverage by secondary sources to pass WP:NOTE and articles will gladly be created. The problem is that such information either doesn't exist or is not apparent. Any development or reception is also likely in Japanese, thus adding a language barrier to the problem and making it highly difficult to find sources, etc. Examples of ideal episode articles (FAs mind you) would be Homer's Phobia or A Streetcar Named Marge. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Basically in a nutshell, it would be considered fancruft if separate articles for each episode were made just for the sake of telling what went on in the episode for those who have/haven't watched the series. Though information regarding the episode in relation to the light novels would be useful, like Sephiroth said there is a language barrier and finding accurate translations of interviews, production notes, etc... for everything is highly improbable. Fox816 03:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Remote Island Syndrome Part 2

When Haruhi points out the real solution to the mystery, there are two possible allusions to other Japanese works. First off is Gyakuten Saiban (Phoenix Wright in English), the mystery game series for the Gameboy Advance and the Nintendo DS. The flasy pointing-to-the-real-culprit action is very similar to the game series. At the same time, the episode alludes to Detective Conan, known to American audiences as Case Closed, a mystery show still airing in Japan. The similarities include the aforementioned "pointing" which is also frequent in Detective Conan. Suspects appearing as black, feature-less people is also used in the episode, just as it is frequently used in Detective Conan. The falshback style used when debating the truth behind the murder is also common in Detective Conan. The final reference to the show is the music that is played when Haruhi makes her triumphant deduction. If one listens closely, the music is very similar to the theme used when Conan solves a case. The jazzy style, as well as the finishing sound very similar. While I have no files to prove this, I suggest that you listen to them to find out.

Telamascope 06:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)Telamascope

The similarities are there, but you have to cite a reliable, verifiable source confirming that a secondary source commented on such an occurrence. Otherwise, it's original research and cannot be included. Regards, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a lot of similarities, including the two-handed desk-slamming when she's giving her round-up at the end. If you can find a verifiable source for it, go for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.184.125 (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Broadcast Order Viewing Using Release DVDs

I'd like to discuss the inclusion of more information about watching the anime in broadcast order using the standard edition DVDs. I understand Sephiroth BCR's opinion that the list I added today describing the appropriate viewing order is unnecessary (in its posted form), but I do not agree that the information in the list, as it currently exists, is sufficient to call this "unnecessary". This is because there is no mention about which episodes are on which DVD, and since not all DVDs contain the same number of episodes (14 divided into 4 discs), there could be additional benefit from finding some way to integrate this new information into the list. If a list of the sort I posted is inappropriate, then perhaps we could append information about which episodes are on which disc:

• Volume 1: 01-04
• Volume 2: 05-08
• Volume 3: 09-11
• Volume 4: 12-14

Additionally, the actual menu on the DVD themselves lists the episodes as one less than the number posted--that is, episode 01 is listed on the DVD as 00, such that Volume 1 would contain 00-03. This may only exist on the standard US release, but this could cause confusion.

I hope this discussion has been clear. I have two basic points: one, the article does not include information about which episodes are on which disc. Including this information in some form could make it easier for someone to watch in his desired order. Two, the episode numbers on each disc differ from those on the list, because they begin at 00. I'm not sure what should be done about this, but it seems relevant.

Chinesecomponents (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

State it concisely in prose in the lead then if you find it necessary, and add your relevant sources. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 21:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Also note that new discussions on talk pages go on the bottom, not on the top. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 21:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Sephiroth in that such info can be stated in prose in the lead.--十八 21:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Added both mentioned elements into the lead using prose, with sources. Chinesecomponents (talk) 22:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a technical or policy reason we cannot change the episode numbering to match the DVDs (i.e. starting with 00 instead of 01)? Argel1200 (talk) 14:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Order as given in the novels?

I'd like to tip my hat to the people who made this reorderable list. Can we get one more sorting column with the episodes in the order that corresponds to the stories as published in the books? -SeaFox (talk) 03:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a nice idea but I'd say it would be a little excessive to add that. As well, EP 9 "Someday in the Rain" was an original specifically for the anime so there would be a gapping in the order. We could still add the information into the prose for each episode. Any production information should also be included but alas, finding that sort is difficult. Fox816 (talk) 04:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't assign corresponding manga chapters to related anime episodes in other lists, and neither should we do so with light novels here. A simple statement that the episodes use the light novels as their source material is more than sufficient. Any production information here should limit itself to which companies participated in the production, and major details should be included at The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime). Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

2nd Season?

I've heard there is a second season, or at least one in production. When is it coming to America? Tenk you veddy much. --Wack'd ^{Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork!} 09:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Read The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)#New season.--十八 10:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Mikuru pictures

Day of Sagittarius and MoHS6 come before Someday in the Rain, but in Day of Sagittarius, Kyon thinks about the pictures of Mikuru for the DVD cover taken in Someday in the Rain, and in MoHS6, they are actually shown. Would this just be considered an error? --Itachi0970 08:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Change the name of the anime?

Since the 2nd season is coming soon, and it's going to be called "Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoshitsu" (The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya) rather than "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya), shouldn't we change the name to just "Haruhi Suzumiya episodes"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aster Selene (talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The title of the upcoming series has yet to be announced, and besides, there's no new info on it, so there's no point in changing the article title now even if it is going to be different.--十八 02:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Well this just got even more confusing...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-05-17/2009-haruhi-tv-run-8th-episode-listed-as-new-episode

Now there's a 4th way to sort the series -- rebroadcast order!

72.218.238.169 (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

and the new episode has aired [2]. Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd say just put the new episodes underneath, and put in a left box where they fit chronologically. (i.e. Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody would be 6.5) Just makes thing simpler for the time being. Or, just bump the numbers up for chronological and stick it in there, then just use whatever character set would put the new episodes on the bottom ("--" maybe) when they're sorted by other sorting methods. bradleyjx (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Gotta hand it to them for messing around with the episode chronology. If necessary -- would it be appropriate to re-number the chronological order between the two seasons? KyuuA4 (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 Chronology

So, how shall the chronology numbering be handled for season 2? Now that this first episode listed falls between episodes within season 1? KyuuA4 (talk) 02:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

trying to straighten this out

I've put some of this info on the page, and set up the beginning of a table to show the complete chronology of the re-airing. It's not pixel-perfect at the moment but it serves the purpose to clearly explain season 2. I also took some of the info at the top that only applied to season 1 and moved it to the season 1 section. Please everyone let me know what you think.

...And I just realized that all the dates I put in for season 2 airing were local time, but the dates in the table for season 1 are US time. Is there a policy one way or the other on timezones? 210.233.206.48 (talk) 07:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Timezones should pertain to local time of first airing. As if a broadcaster lists something like "June 1 26:30" (as they almost always do), it should be listed here as airing on June 2 since it's after midnight.--十八 07:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

so, the dates i put for season 2 are right, and the long-standing dates for season 1 are wrong? 210.233.206.48 (talk) 09:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 Officially aired

Sadly, I cannot understand Japanese well enough. However, I'm either going to point out May 20 or 21, as the air date. KyuuA4 (talk) 21:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's "officially" the season 2. Rather, the episode of May 21 is one of the new episodes included in the 2009 re-broadcasting of the anime "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya".--207.112.45.185 (talk) 07:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what should have been done

I have now restored the page back to its original location and request move protection. I have started List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes as a separate article for now until we know more about the season. I have done this as the original list is a featured article and should not have unverified assumptions in it and should not have been moved without discussion. List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes now contains both lists, however the season 1 list needs to be edited - I couldn't get it working as a sublist, presumably because the template probably doesn't support it in the way the other list template does.

Please use List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes for working on the reairing/new season lists, at least until we know more about what is happening. When the time comes, it may be appropriate to create a new page for the new episodes once we know more. i;ve done this BOLD as I don't see the need for discussion in preserving a featured list, and creating a more appropriate page. Dandy Sephy (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Quite true. I was rather concerned about the Featured status of the first list - once the new episode comes in. But ultimately, only one list will remain to exist once the re-airing is done - as it is illogical for a franchise series to have two separate lists for... well, the same thing. KyuuA4 (talk) 04:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't we just put the episode list in List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes into the 2006 section of List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes and move the page to the original? - plau (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

No, the page will become delisted. Until Kyoani announce their dvd plans, no changes should be made in that way. At that point, it will require a new discussion but we will know more at that point. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the page is being preserved because it's featured? Why on earth would that take priority over being accurate, particularly now that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody has aired? Sure, the remaining episodes are in an unknown order - is that too difficult to simply say? Say what you can verify you do know (such as the broadcast of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody), and note what is still unclear. Even if the rebroadcast order were to be separated into a second section below the first with a title like '2009 rebroadcast with new episodes', it's got to be about a billion times easier to navigate than the current split-page situation where the linking between them only goes one way. Seriously, where has this argument that 'it's featured' come from (it's been both here and on the talk page for the other list) - pages like this are meant to change to keep up with changes in the subject matter, even if it does mean losing the status for the time being. --Riche (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

. The simple fact of the matter is that KyoAni have made it very hard to know what the hell is going on. Their own website doesn't even talk about it, they still list Melancholoy as 14 eps, even though they updated the copyright information. There is zero confirmation on if this is a second series or just new episodes inserted into the original for the sake of broadcast. The entire thing might change for dvd (and probably will). Until KyoAni actually say something that we can go by, all this talk of reairings, chronological order and such is just going to go on and on in circles, hence the seperation. There is no benefit to introducing assumptions and unverified information into the article. The other list needs additional work such as a list of Haruhi-chan episodes, it's in progress. Theres nothing stopping you linking back to the other list, it simply got missed (and is in the template). Yes a new ep has aired, but thats not enough. The issue has arisen purely because of the way KyoAni has handled it, any other company would say what they are doing. Until there is some statement or dvd announcement, the rebroadcast should be kept seperate, and this page should include a link to the other page, and what verifiable information we have (such as that its being rebroadcast and that a new ep has aired). Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge completion

I went ahead and merged the "List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes" article into here without changing any of the original material in the "2006 version" section. It will probably be appropriate to ask for demotion of this article and renominate it after new additions are brought to FL standard. Arsonal (talk) 05:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The Sigh of Huruhi Suzumiya Part 5 - "Flashback"?

On the off chance that people are still looking at this talk page... the summary for this episode mentions that the end section, where Kyon is telling Haruhi who the rest of the SOS brigade really are, is a flashback to May - now, I'm not just being an idiot (I hope) but I can't see anything that hints at it being a flashback? I also can't find any conclusive information online about this (perhaps my Google-Fu is weak). Can someone help me verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ftr2k7 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

whoops. I derped. In all my previous watchthroughs, I've stopped watching Episode 6 (where Haruhi and Kyon are in the enclosed space together) after he tells her in the class that her ponytail looks good, and the music starts up (which I've always assumed was going to just be the ending credits). I didn't realise the episode actually continued, and he says at the end when they meet at the café he's going to tell her everything. So yeah. Ignore the above, I was actually being an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ftr2k7 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

season 1 & 2 vs. 2006 & 2009

Is there a reason we need summaries and details for the episodes for the 2009 "season 1" episodes? If it's the same exact episode with a tiny bit of extra scene, why not just mention that in the "season 1" as "2009 bonus clips: (detail here)" There needs to be a way to reference the episodes from other articles. AngusWOOF (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know, they're the exact same episodes from the 2006 version. This is why they were originally left blank until recently.--十八 05:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Season 2 isn't sortable by order type

I tried changing the table type to sortable, but when I clicked to sort it everything went to hell. If someone who knows more about Wikipedia tables could fix it that would be awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.176.62 (talk) 14:35, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Season 1 table default ordering

Why is "Column C - DVD" the default ordering for the Season 1 table?

Shouldn't it be sorted by "Column A - Broadcast", which we have in bold? That would make the most sense to me, particularly so that the airdate column isn't out-of-order by default.

I think most readers would be confused by this default sort too, since "broadcast order" versus "chronological order" are the two that are typically discussed, not "DVD order". — Goszei (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree, and changed it to the original broadcast order as default.--十八 21:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)