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Synopsises

I think we should keep the synopsises short and sweet, not to give away too much spoilery information with "All Alone", "Static" and the final episode. I reverted the edits and shortened "All Alone" because spoilers tend to ruin everything for others.Sfufan2005 04:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I'd like to say that I like this page. It's well-organized and useful, and the pictures hugely benefit the page's aesthetic value (though I kind of wish they were a bit bigger, they're so great). However, I think we could make it a lot more helpful if we abandoned our wussy ways and went all-out with our summaries.

I also think we should use "synopses" for the plural of "synopsis", even though I'm very fond of your version just because it sounds so absurd.

Now, to the meat of things. I think we should not keep the synopses short and sweet (not to the extent that they are now, anyway). There is already a spoiler warning at the top of the page; if you don't want this page to have spoilers, then remove the warning. If you do, then don't go halfway about it—by doing so, we not only make the page less useful to people who haven't seen the series (because they'll be scared away by the possibility of spoilers), but also ruin almost the entire benefit of this page for people who have seen the series: as an actual summary of what happens in each episode, not just a 20-word blurb vaguely and POVly alluding to the general idea of a couple of things that happen in the episode. We already practically go out of our way to spoil almost every important event in the series very near the top of the page Six Feet Under (though shortly after the spoiler warning, so it's acceptable), and go out of our way to make massive spoilers like when the characters day jump out of the page on the Characters of Six Feet Under page. So why chicken out on the spoilers for this one page? It makes our coverage of the series look inconsistent and unprofessional, like each page was done by a person with completely different sensibilities and goals than the ones who worked on the other pages. Besides, the vast majority of people who would find this page useful and be interested in reading it no matter what will be people who have already seen the series; those who haven't would have no reason to come here to begin with. And those who've only seen part of the series can easily avoid going past what they've seen thanks to the bar-by-bar format of the page. In fact, it might be even easier for people who have only seen part of the series to avoid spoilers if this page had more detailed summaries, since it'd make it harder to accidentally scroll too far and see an episode or two past the farthest you've gotten; the extra lines of text would serve as a safety buffer for casual scrollers. So. As I see it, we currently have three options:

Leave the page more or less as is. Having blurbs instead of real summaries satisfies both parties, making people who haven't seen the series happy by letting them look through the episode list without having everything ruined for them immediately, and making people who have seen the series happy by giving them just enough information to jog their memory on the basic idea of what happens in each episode.
Compromise and include both a page like this one without spoilers, and a more expanded page with all the spoilers anyone could ever want. Best of both worlds. (Only problem: Is there any precedent? And is such a thing really necessary?)
Don't compromise. This is an encyclopedia, not a Six Feet Under fanpage, and it is no more our job to protect people who haven't seen the series than it is to be scared of spoiling Macbeth when there's already an obvious spoiler tag. Encyclopedias provide information. They don't provide riddles like "Brenda faces several truths; Nate brings the family together against their will" to coyly hint at what happens in episodes. It's very nice and sweet that you'd be so considerate to Six Feet Under newbies, but it's also unencyclopedic.

Obviously, I recommend the third option, but of course we'll discuss this further before choosing (unless you think I'm just completely full of crap and the page is perfect as-is and we shouldn't waste our time considering the alternatives; that's fine too). Anyone who has an opinion on the matter, I'd love to get at least a general idea of consensus on the issue before I put any work into this.

Thoughts? -Silence 22:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. Right. Looking over the page again, every episode title apparently has a planned article, though the only existing one is Pilot_(Six_Feet_Under_episode). A very nice-looking page. But is making 63 completely separate pages for every episode really practical? Wouldn't a page for each season, like Six Feet Under Season 1, with each episode as a section, be a lot easier to navigate? And even that might be asking for too much if there aren't enough people to contribute to making such an in-depth, episode-by-episode analysis as to merit more than just this page, List of Six Feet Under episodes. So, my opinion that this page's summaries should be expanded has not changed. That's what I think should definitely happen to some extent in the short term, though I do like the idea of going in-depth on the individual episodes on season pages, at least in the mid-term, and in the long-term, once we've gathered enough information on the season pages, I think individual episode pages would work. Or maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way. Still, just wanted the options out there for discussion. Hopefully there will be a couple of people interested enough to discuss, despite my now-obvious tendency to ramble. Whee. -Silence 22:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point, I wrote that before the finale aired. I didn't want to spoil it for anyone. We should expand now that the show is over. I think we should keep the original page, but add the Season page like you said. Sfufan2005 00:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. OK. :) Sorry ofr jumping to conclusions. Then, do you think we should move "Pilot" to "Six Feet Under Season 1", after that page is complete? Or should we just summarize and link to that page from the Season page, as an example of how in-depth and noteworthy an episode section has to be before it merits its own article? -Silence 00:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should keep the individual pages (for at least the pilot) but I liked your "Six Feet Under Season 1" idea for each of the seasons. It's your call if you would like to put the time and effort in but I'm taking a little break.Sfufan2005 00:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Individual pages

Now that I have some free time, I would be able to create article pages for the remainder of the Season 1. Mind you, it will not be just a brief synopsis. It is going to be a full explanation on what went on in the episode as I've done with all of the Season 2 Desperate Housewives episodes (e.g. sample). The individual episodes will hopefully contain the full synospsis of each character's story i.e. the Nate & Brenda, David & Keith, Ruth, Claire stories + quotes, trivia and pictures. It's going to take a little while but its well worth it. Sfufan2005 17:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would have been a good idea if there were pages of most of the episodes. But most of them doesn't have their own inimitable page. So till they'll have, the best for now is to split between the episode's deaths and synopsis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.227.209 (talk) 12:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Better pictures

I think there are better pictures avalable on HBO.com for the episodes. Ecotone, for example, should have a picture of Nate in the hospital which obviously has more significance for the episode rather than a picture of David alone. I'm finishing the series up for the first time so I don't want to work on it now but I might do it later this month if thats okay.--CyberGhostface 03:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, I don't think the page needs that much work since I've tried to relate a lot of the pictures to the plot synopses. I've also used your suggestions and changed the picture of Ecotone and will be looking on the page at the images to decide whether or not they tie directly to the plot since the pictures shouldn't be decorative as with the "Ecotone" pic. Sfufan2005 19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just did some changes. Most of them were fine already, although I modified some to make it more central to the main plot.--CyberGhostface 03:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Episode article names

Greetings, Six Feet Under editors!

As you may be aware, for the last several weeks there has been extensive discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) about how Wikipedia articles on television episodes should be named. Editors from many areas of Wikipedia, including members of several different television WikiProjects, have worked together and come up with a general guideline that article titles should include disambiguating phrases only when there is another article on Wikipedia with the same name as the episode name. Thus, if you were creating episode articles for Knight Rider, the episode Circus Knights would not need any disambiguation, whereas Nobody Does It Better (Knight Rider) would, in order to differentiate it from Nobody Does It Better (song). However, the guideline also recommends that Circus Knights (Knight Rider) and Circus Knights (Knight Rider episode) exist as redirects to the episode.

The discussion has been fairly well-advertised at the Village Pump, in many WikiProjects' talk pages and on the talk pages of many television program episode lists. However, the editors contributing to the discussion at WP:TV-NC felt that it was appropriate to make one last call for discussion before people started moving episode articles to new names.

I've noticed that many episodes of Six Feet Under are pre-emptively disambiguated: for example, "Everyone's Waiting" is at Everyone's Waiting (Six Feet Under episode), even though there is no Wikipedia article at Everyone's Waiting. If you feel that there are strong reasons for this that have not already been considered, please join the discussion at WT:TV-NC. (The current recommendations have been reached after much consideration, and are based on a long discussion about how to best comply with Wikipedia's general article naming scheme.) Barring further discussion, I'll start moving Six Feet Under episode pages in accordance with the guideline in the next few days.

We appreciate the work that editors do in every area of Wikipedia, and want you to feel included in the decision-making process. Thank you for your help! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Episode notability

All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only have certain bad aspects (though all may not apply) like containing overly long or one sentence plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list.

If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. Otherwise, discussion will take place here. Please remember that this is not a vote. If you like the information, that's fine and dandy, but your opinion doesn't really count towards anything. The only opinions that do count are ones that that lean towards the inclusion of real world information. TTN 22:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the episodes do have real world information, and have some interesting citations to sources that discuss and analyze the episodes and their impact on real-world society. Isn't there an article on Wikipedia for every single article of The Simpsons ? I think we should keep these episodes as separate articles, at least for the articles that already exist. The others or stubs could be redirect here. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 07:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Check out the statistics box, middle right: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 07:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Please don't redirect them until we have an opportunity to improve them. That would be appreciated if you don't mind. Sfufan2005 19:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone's Waiting

A couple days after this was converted to a redirect, someone recreated the article at the alternate title Everyone's Waiting (Six Feet Under episode). This suggests there is not consensus to "merge" this particular episode. While both forms of the article lack reliable independent sourcing, the original article contained a lot of key plot information about the epilogue which should probably be centralized somewhere rather than spread out over a bunch of character bios. —dgies^t_c 17:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of List of Six Feet Under deaths

List of Six Feet Under deaths would have a very hard time surviving AfD. But since exactly one "funny" death happens in each episode, the information may be reasonably saved by merging the info into this episode list, similar to what e.g. Lost (season 1) does with the featured main characters or List of Carnivàle episodes with the locations. Opposition? – sgeureka ^t•c 03:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opposition to a merger of all of the information, though I think the format as a list is great. I do object to a "sweeping" redirect disposing of the information as conducted by TTN, espically in light of the previous warnings regarding other redirects found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TTN#Please_stop_redirecting_episodes_without_discussion_when_multiple_other_editors_disagree_with_you.

Thank you, rkmlai 05:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I should probably point out that this was a suggestion meant for the people who want to keep the information. I did not offer to do the merge myself, as I only watched the first few episodes of the show and don't want to be spoiled any further. It is likely that if no-one wants to do the merge within the next few days/weeks, that the death list will end up on AfD and be deleted, as it is in fact non-nontable and borderline trivial for understanding the show. – sgeureka ^t•c 00:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just like to say that I agree with this idea. A similar idea is implemented on the List of House episodes page with the diagnoses. Kingturkey (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking

All of the MOS sections I've seen (I just checked WP:MOS, MOS:LINK, and WP:OVERLINK) say that links which do not add to the understanding of the article should be avoided - linking to individual years is presented as an example of this. Also, multiple links to the same article (like the dozens of links to 2001 in this article) are a bad idea. There is no quality info gained by linking to March 21 or June 2, or other individual days - the same is true of linking to the same year 20 or 30 times. Links to regular old nouns, like drama and retrospective are also presented as an example of what not to do. That's why I was removing them. - Special-T (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Drama is improperly linked. It is supposed to go to Dramatic programming and I'll fix that. However, linking the genre is common in an episode list, and appropriate. Retrospective is linked as a less common term, particularly for non-americans. Individual years should not be linked, if they are alone. The links for dates in the table are not the same thing. Their format enables them to be formated per a logged in user's preferences, and that is appropriate for date links. If you take a look at some of the recent FLs for episodes, you will see this is a common practice. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right-O then! - Special-T (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 11:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please

can someone atlest put and article for the first episode in the series —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.239.238 (talk) 06:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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