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Proposed Deletion

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It was proposed, on 17 March 2010, that this article should be deleted as it is 'just a copy of a template'.

Well, although that is true, the position is much more complicated than that.

This is a copy of the FULL template. The template is designed to be used on each station article, only showing the lines of direct relevance to that station. Template parameters are used to select which lines are visible to the user. The template title includes the word 'stations' which is a very well-hidden link to this page. Hence, from any station article using this template, with any number of lines visible, the user has a one-click link to see the entire list.

Now, this may not be the best way of achieving this effect -- for a start, I would have included a much more explicit link to this page -- but it does serve a definite purpose, and is the starting point for improving the situation.

The page is also used as a link from places where the template could not be used, such as within the table in List of metro systems where the cell showing number of stations for the Shanghai Metro is a link to this page.

If there is a real objection to using the template in this way, the only solution is to unpack the template and copy all the links on to this page to create a conventional list. I leave that as an exercise for anyone else who objects to this page!

Deletion is a backward step, which is why I have removed the PROD template.

EdJogg (talk) 10:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove the templates until the discussion is complete (FWIW I'm voting to keep the article). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC) Sorry I thought it was an AfD header. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the Shanghai metro is clearly notable - its one of the most extensive metros in the world (and List of London Underground stations exists). It does need cleanup though. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We're up to fifteen featured List of Foo Metro/Light Rail station lists, and the Shanghai Metro is more notable than most of those. Would be nice to see the article in a table, not just a bunch of templates, but there is a bit of work to that. Clearly notable. Arsenikk (talk) 12:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, the template is good, but at the moment that's all there is to the article. No encyclopedic content at all. I think it currently may meet WP:CSD criteria A1 and/or A3.
In saying this, I'm not suggesting that the article be speedily deleted or nominated for CSD immediately, and I've added an edit note to the article to this effect while discussion is ongoing.
The list could usefully be expanded into a table, with the template being better displayed in a similar manner to the {{Dutch Windmills}} template. A table could have columns for Line, Station, Notes, Image. Mjroots (talk) 09:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure that A1 ("No Context") would apply. Since the article title is "List of Shanghai Metro stations", and the first line emphasises this, I don't see how you could establish the context any better.
You might have a point with A3 ("No Content") if it is covered by 'template tags'.
I have updated the posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#List of Shanghai Metro stations to request additional help with the conversion, as it does not fall within my area of interest.
EdJogg (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible solution

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I'm looking at London Underground and seeing that it has a separate article London Underground infrastructure which contains its list of lines. It also has a separate template for each line. It seems to me that breaking it up this way makes more sense than making one huge template. Mangoe (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was ready to jump out and say no to any deletion, repeating my stance against deletion of some South Korean subway stations a while back. Then I realized the station articles aren't in the same danger as this so-called list. So since there's already a template, I'm going to have to advocate either converting this into a real list or deleting it. I do like Mangoe's idea of breaking it up, though. ----DanTD (talk) 16:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't we just leave it and let people break up the template and turn it into a table in time? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've substituted the template into the article. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The 'danger' of that solution is that if the template is updated, this article will need updating separately.
-- EdJogg (talk) 21:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC) ...NB, page no longer being watched [reply]
True, but now at least the information is on this page so it can be converted into a proper list. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked into the history of the article. Creator is indeffed as a sockpuppet, and the sockmaster is also indeffed. I've asked at WP:CHINA if anyone is prepared to adopt the article. Mjroots (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This is a notable and useful article. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disputing that the subject of the article is notable. My intent in searching the history of the article was to drop a note on the creator's talk page referring them to this discussion and asking if they'd be prepared to work at improving it. As shown above, this is not going to happen. Mjroots (talk) 08:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for overreacting :o. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'v converted lines 1 and 2, plus the maglev, to a table; it contains only station name and line, sorted alphabetically by station name. If everyone who is participating in the discussion did one line, it would go quickly, and we could avoid this almost childish rattle on the talk-page. Arsenikk (talk) 10:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done line 4, and line 3 was already done. I'm now going to do line 5. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Line 5 done (except the unfinished branch), 6 next. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Line 6  Done. And now I'm  Done -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like there is just line 10 and 11 to go, great! -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've just updated the list to include the new stations on Line 13, plus changed the layout to look similar to List of London Underground stations. I'm not sure if we'll be able to get information on ridership and such, and I fear it may take a long time to find out when each station opened, but I left these columns here just in case.  –Nav  talk to me or sign my guestbook 01:42, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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