Talk:List of Secretaries of State of Puerto Rico

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Merge back to original article

After looking at "List of secretaries of State of Puerto Rico", I asked myself "What is this"? The "list" is supposed to have an informative article to go along with it. It shouldn't be just a boring "table". Where is the introduction of the list? Where is some information which would make the list interesting? Here is an example of what a list should look like: List of Puerto Ricans missing in action in the Korean War. As I stated a simple "table" belongs in an article such as the "Secretary of State of Puerto Rico" and not as a sole entity. Also the same thing goes for the "List of former and current First Lady of Puerto Rico", it should be merged once more to the article First Lady of Puerto Rico. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with your suggestion but I have added the proper cleanup templates to the section in the original article and to this article to indicate that they both must be improved. See List of Secretaries of State of the United States which is presented exactly just as a list without any lead section. I strongly believe that my suggestions are a viable solution to this dispute and that they help reach consensus in good faith. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Every article in Wikipedia needs improving, even GA's and FA's, so -- no offense Ahnoneemoos -- but stating the obvious, IMMHO, contributes nothing.

That List of Secretaries of State of the United States doesn't have a lead... So what? That article (1) is not part of the PR WikiProject, so its format is a nonissue here, and (2) that article is not a Wikipedia policy establishing how every "List of Secretaries of..." must be formatted. To make your case, Ahnoneemoos, you would need is to dig up a Wikipedia policy that states that articles with "List of..." in their title cannot contain a lead... One more comment: maybe some people get the idea that if an article is titled with the words "List of..." on it, then it is not suppossed to have anything but a list in it. To be precise, there are very few lists in Wikipedia that are actual lists, the bulk of them -- including List of Secretaries of State of the United States -- are actually tables. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.[reply]

You are so over the board with how Wikipedia works. Listen man, the only thing that matters is WP:FIVEPILLARS and WP:IAR. Everything else is just to make our life easier as policies and guidelines, not rules. Please, I implore you, STOP being a WP:BUREAUCRACY. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, I have added a shorter and minimal list to the main article while keeping the detailed list on this one. Let me know what you think. That way we have the names on the main article but the details and pictures on this one; making it easier to read Secretaries of State of Puerto Rico while saving all intricate details on List of Secretaries of State of Puerto Rico. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I still believe that the tables belong in the articles for which they were created. Both "List" articles can still remain and follow the example of List of Puerto Rican military personnel. As a matter of fact the tables can even remain in the "List" articles. A consensus of both issues should be set up and we should let the community decide which would be the best course to follow. I looked at both "Secretary of State of Puerto Rico" and the "First Ladies of Puerto Rico" articles and the sections which list the names of the former secretaries and ladies. At least in the article of the First ladies of Puerto Rico, the section has some informative substance, however the same cannot be said of the Secretary of State article. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with your opinion. I believe it would be best to show a clean and concise list in the main article showing only the years served, name, and the acronym of the Puerto Rican political party. Then the List article goes into detail with colors, pictures, and whatever else you want to add. As an example, compare Southern Governors' Association to National Governors Association. National Governors Association looks cleaner and easier to read. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since this discussion seems to be going nowhere, I suggest that you propose a consensus in the issues involving both articles in the proper forum and let the community decide what is best. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]