Talk:List of Russian composers

Removed Michael Mazin

I removed Michael Mazin, who was at the very bottom of the list (allegedly born 1989). I think we need more substantial proof of notability for such names (or, I'm simply living in a box). Also, there are plenty of amateur composers born of X-descent. What makes the cut for being on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewieblue (talk • contribs) 02:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

History/Ethnicity/Occupation

Given my edit summary and the fact that this elaboration was unnecessary, I have removed it. If you have any comments or arguments to make regarding this, please respond here. Classicalfan2 (talk) 02:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Didn't see Aram Ilyich Khachaturian

born in Tiflis, Imperial Russia (now Tbilisi, Georgia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.30.51 (talk) 03:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Order

Shouldn't there be one? Like alphabetical, chronological, importance, no. of spouses, anything, but this is a mess. Anapazapa (talk) 00:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

There is an order - alphabetical by surname. I've just placed your addition accordingly. :-) Alfietucker (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Structure of page

To me it seems inappropriate to have "the five" as the first section as if they were indisputably on a different level of importance to the others. Surely to most people, one or more of Prokoviev, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky and Shostakovic would be included in the most important Russian composers. The simplest solution is to lead with the main list and add sections as wished, or else to have a less restricted first section (which is appropriate to a more specialised page). Elroch (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. This is a complete mess. Would suggest reordering alphabetically and then adding images of the most prominent composers to the right as on List of German composers.

06:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Major edit

I have completed a major reform of the page, the main points of which I shall summarize and explain here. I won't be offended if it gets reverted, provided we can have a discussion here.

I have put The Five in with everyone else, since there is clearly no reason to separate them. I added lots of composers to the list. My working principle is that if someone has a Wikipedia page which mentions their composition, then they are notable enough for inclusion here, even if they are not primarily famous as a composer. I have not removed any composers who were previously in the list, but I have respelled some of their names to conform with their WP page.

I removed the little chatty descriptions of the composers. Although some of these were informative, many of these seemed to me problematic for one reason or another, and the general effect was unencyclopedic. Instead I have tried to note certain particular points: where the nationality/ethnicity is not Russian; where the person is primarily famous for something other than composing; and where composers are closely related to one another. All of these points raise their own issues, and I would be quite open to removing these descriptions altogether. (The List of German composers has none.)

I put some pictures down the right hand side, and will add more as the list grows longer. JBritnell (talk) 05:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for adding to the article. Removing the details was reasonable and in line with many other list articles on wikipedia. One minor suggestion, per MOS:LISTFORMAT, trailing punctuation is not usually found in lists when the items are not full sentences.Dialectric (talk) 11:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks; I have eliminated the trailing punctuation. JBritnell (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

I propose to merge Chronological list of Russian classical composers into List of Russian composers, but making the body of the article a sortable table. All composers from both lists would be included in the revised page. It would be a lot of work to create, and would represent a considerable change from present, so I would be keen to have the opinions of other editors before we go ahead. Orthorhombic, 14:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I certainly would have no rooted objection to the proposal; a sortable table would probably be quite useful, though I suspect it would indeed be a lot of work. It's worth pointing out that Wikipedia has both alphabetical and chronological lists for German, French, Italian, Spanish, English, American, and several other national composers, so we are at least consistent with those.

By the way, when I overhauled the page recently, I added all the composers from the chronological list into this one (and I also farmed all other relevant lists that I could find). So while I won't claim that this is the one true list, it should include most if not all of the composers on other lists. JBritnell (talk) 01:51, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

If there are alphabetical and chronological lists for other nationalities, then I will not bother. Good work on keeping the two lists up-to-date, and thanks for the kind reply. Orthorhombic, 15:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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Sibelius

Jean Sibelius is listed as russian. Nothing can be more Finnish and less russian than him. There’s nothing russian with Sibelius. 217.213.136.205 (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Of course Sibelius was Finnish and not Russian. But this list contains composers who were born or raised in Russia *or the Russian Empire*. The Grand Duchy of Finland was part of the Russian Empire until its independence in 1917, when Sibelius was in his 50s.

As a practical matter, it's important to have an objective criterion for who counts as "Russian" in a list like this, and I think it's best to adhere to it even when it throws up oddities such as this one. So I've added Sibelius back; the listing makes clear that he was born in Finland.

JBritnell (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)