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Battenbergs, etc.

If we're going to include the Battenbergs, what about the Earl of Athlone? What about the 1st Duke of Fife? What about the Marquess of Lorne? What about the 10th Duke of Beaufort, who married Athlone's niece? Athlone, in particular, who was both married to a British princess and the son of one, seems to me to be much closer to being a royal than the elder Prince Louis, who was merely married to the daughter of a British princess. john k (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with inclusion of any of those who were Privy Councillors. The fact is that from the early 19th century several major dynasties developed "extended royal families", incorporating kin (usually un-appanaged princely husbands of native princesses, chosen so that those princes/ses did not have to marry or live abroad against their own or their parents' wishes). They may or may not have shared the dynasty's traditional titles, but they emigrated and became naturalized in the kingdom, were festooned with its gongs and sinecures, inter-married with its daughters and sons, enjoyed succession rights and sought the Sovereign's permission for marriages, while also sometimes inter-marrying with other dynasties. Examples include, for the Romanovs: the Leuchtenbergs and cadet branches of the Mecklenburgs, Oldenburgs and Nassaus; for the French Bonapartes: Beauharnais and Murats; for the Spanish Bourbons: cadet branches of the Orleans, Wittelsbachs and Bourbon-Sicilys; and for the British: Battenbergs, Tecks and even Fifes. If the monarchs treated them as part of their families, why shouldn't we? FactStraight (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All the people I mentioned were Privy Councillors. I think if we're going to include the Battenbergs, we have to include at least Athlone, whose position probably makes him closer to a royal than the Battenbergs were. I'm not sure about the others. Fife and Lorne/Argyll were married to daughters of the monarch. That puts them in the same position as Prince Christian and Prince Henry, but those latter held royal(ish) titles, while Lorne and Fife were merely ordinary peers. I'd say Beaufort is a pretty dubious case - he was married to a daughter of the 1st Marquess of Cambridge, which means that his wife was first cousin to Edward VIII and George VI and the great-great-granddaughter of George III. That seems probably too distant. For the moment, I'd say to include Athlone but not the others. john k (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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