Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number

Correcting rōmaji

Many of the romanized names are incorrect. I'll be correcting them, using Modified Hepburn romanization. Comments welcome. -- J44xm 18:11, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think Pikachū and Rekku'uza should be the same form.

Pikachū and Rekkūza / Pikachu'u and Rekku'uza --いかづち(ikadzuchi) 05:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. Also, it's odd that the kana for Pichu and Pikachu are different like that. It's tempting to make it Pikachuu and Pichū ... but Hepburn doesn't allow that, nor is it necessary, I suppose. (Also, the "u'u" construction is unnecessary in this instance.) —J44xm 20:30, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

MISSINGNO- POKEMON OR GLITCH

Is Missingno even a Pokemon i thought is was a glitch changing it from Japanese to English??

It's not a Pokémon. But IIRC, it needs to be there in order for the game to work. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:12, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

It's a Pokémon. But it needs to exist.

71.32.125.234 16:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Jon Armor Mode[reply]

It is a pokemon. What kind of pokemon a glitch pokemon.(Master King 08:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

No it's not. Read the page. DanPMK 21:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is! Missingno. is a Pokémon by definition! It's a Pokémon by the definition "A Pokémon is anything that can be caught in a Poké Ball in any of the Pokémon canon in which Poké Balls are used for the purpose of capturing Pokémon. This excludes objects small enough to fit into a Poké Ball, which may on occasion be absorbed into the Poké Ball, but will cause the Poké Ball to open upon absorption, revealing that the object is inside, in a non-energy format." Actually, it's multiple Pokémon. There are at least 28 subspecies in R/B alone; so presumably, there are actually 56 subspecies. (This includes the Ghost/Fossil Missingno., so excluding those, there are actually 50 subspecies, and it doesn't count 'M, the parent of Ditto. So if you count all of those, it's actually about 57...) So fix the article, or at least unprotect it. Please? I know that the admin can, so could you *addressing the admin* please unprotect it? 71.32.125.13 19:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Jon Armor Mode[reply]

It's NEVER officially acknowledged as a Pokémon, nor does it appear in any sort of official Pokédex.—ウルタプ 21:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, by that definition, Pokéballs themselves are considered Pokémon. Haven't you every had the unfortunate pleasure of watching the first movie? There're over 100 "species" in R/B, all filler. Don't address this idiotic issue again. I'll revert it myself if I ever see any mention of a glitch as a Pokémon. DanPMK 03:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article's existence

makes me lose the will to live. I just thought I'd mention that. - David Gerard 23:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it too. Hey, why don't we index all possible gums stickers? - Kirils 05:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And why so? Ace ofspade 02:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly no Pokémon fans...
Face 12:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm glad it's here. My brain gave up absorbing every pokemon name and description after about 151 so it's nice to have a complete list for reference. 195.195.20.199 09:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is also the only up-to-date authority on the officially Romanized Japanese names from my experiences, as well…—ウルタプ 03:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Real Japanese names

I think that a list with the real Japanese names (instead of just the romanizations) should be added. By "real", I mean "the romaji interpretation." For example, Freezer (Articuno) is the real interpretation of フリーザー, instead of the commonly used romaji, "Furīzā". I'd add it, but I need a complete list. Sigma X Virus 03:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Already done. I know that some aren't correct, but it's what was trademarked so I kept it the same. For example: Prasle should've been PlusleLinkdude20002001 11:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed 4th Generation Pokemon

I am curious why the pages for Tamanta, Perappu, and Buizeru have been removed, when they are actual real Pokemon, not fakes. If anyone would take the time to recreate those three pages, please take note that Coro Coro has recently revealed their types: Tamanta- Water Buizeru- Water Perappu- Flying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.121.110 (talk • contribs)

Not sure what you’re talking about... the pages are still there, and they’re still on the list. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 10:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the list is divided into sections by generation. Now would be a good time to start adding the Unrealsed pokemon that one have info on, as well as the names of the ones with no info. We have tons of info on Munchlax and Bonsly. They should be put some place. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 00:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Table form?

Why not arrange the pokemon like this:

No.	English Name	Japanese Name	Romaji transcription	Trademarked Rōmaji	Chinese Name

the chinese name is optional. -- ragnaroknike

I agree. While at it, how about putting images of the pokemon somewhere in the table.

Sorry to interupt, how do you use the talk page? Well anyway, did someone get rid of the cool new pokemon in the list?

Btw, the Chinese names belongs to the chinese wikipedia unless Pokemon itself originated from china (which isn't and it actually originates from Japan). --fnfd 06:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glitch Pokemon

Should the glitch pokemon, 'M, Missingno./けつばん and ?????? be included in the pokedex? People seem to keep adding and removing them from the list. — Fnfd ^{(Talk/ノート)} 05:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They're not Pokémon, and they don't appear in any game's Pokédex. I'd think it would be fairly simple. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But they are nessary to the game.. The should be included in the list, along with a note that they are not TRUE pokemon,. also the new pokemon should be on the list... Wiki is made by a group, Not by one person, man in black... If a lot of people want them to be included in the list stop removeing them!-Lego3400

We have other lists on which they appear, and they don't appear in any game's Pokédex. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Whoever put them back on the list along with the ones that have yet to come out... --Lego3400 21:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uggh! Who ever took them off put them back! --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We have other lists on which they appear, and they don't appear in any game's Pokédex. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This list is not about the "National Pokédex". It is a complete list of Pokémon and should include them ALL, regardless the fact they have been assigned a Pokédex number or not. The National numbering system is only used because it has been featured in all current generation games and is the most complete. So, Man In Black, do everyone a favor and leave the fourth generation Pokémon in place. - SaturnYoshi 08:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Really. So you have a source to show that these Pokémon will be in the National Pokédex? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. Removeing the info is vandalism. 2. Lets see... National pokdex includes all pokemon to date, so it safe to assume new ones will be in when the game comes out :P. Aslo as SaturnYoshi pointed out we only call this list the National pokedex, becuse the national pokedex is the only one that includes all pokemon that are catchable in any game! So by right the glich pokemon and 4th gen should be on the list! also Please point out the list they appear on other than this one. I have yet to see one.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 01:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not for things that you assume, it's for things you can verify. I'm removing unsourced info on sight. Don't replace the fourth-gen Pokémon unless you have a reliable source showing that they will be in the National Pokédex. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The glitch Pokémon should not be in the list because they are not Pokémon. They are error handlers. If you want to add Missingno. et all to the list because it exists, be prepared to add all 39 Missingno. variants to the list, and the 56 trainers the game recognizes as Pokémon. It literally means MISSING NUMBER, and was added because in the Japanese version, when the game read an empty space, it crashed. And finally, this is a List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number. Any information here has to be verified and have citeable sources, such as the games they appear in. DanPMK 02:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glitch Pokemon aside, All the other pokemon that were removed from the list are offcial. Listing them as Yet to bereleased allows them to be put on the list while they don't have a number. Also a few of them have appeared in the anime as well. Also my point sill remians that i have yet to see a list that points to them yet. Aslo this is NOT a national pokedex! Its just a list of pokemon in the SAME ORDER. As such the Glitch and unrealsed can be added to the list.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said. Once you have a reliable source, instead of supposition, stating that these Pokémon are in the National Pokédex, add them to the list. Until then, please refrain. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would I like to suggest creating a new page that lists all the Pokemon that are known currently, including those that are from Diamond and Pearl. That way, people won't list new pokemon that are not in the National Pokédex yet here and listing them there. For example: List of Pokémon by name — Fnfd ^{(Talk/ノート)} 04:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We have List of Pokémon by name. Like I said before: We have other lists on which they appear, and they don't appear in any game's Pokédex. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At the time this discussion started, ther was no link to said List. Besides, if Diamond and Pearl are going to be compatible with all GBA installments of the series, then it is a strong bet that the first 386 Pokémon will be tradeable to those games. Much in the same manner that the Red, Blue and Yellow Pokémon could be traded into Gold, Silver and Crystal. That being said, the National Pokédex will surely expand to account for all the new additions that the 4th Generation will bring. The reason why it is called the "National" Pokédex is because it lists all Pokémon in every region of the games. Now, I'm not saying that MissingNo and other glitches should be added, but the new Pokémon are actual monsters in the series and I don't feel that they should be left off the list just because they don't have a National identifier number yet. Once the new region's Pokédex is out, all new Pokémon will most likely be tacked onto the end of the National list just like the Hoenn Pokémon were added to the end of the Kanto/Johto list. So, why delay the inevitable?? - SaturnYoshi 06:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be a second section at the bottom titled Pokémon whose National Pokédex number is currently unknown in which we list the ones that have yet to be numbered.

Also, in response to Lego3400 saying "Aslo this is NOT a national pokedex! Its just a list of pokemon in the SAME ORDER. As such the Glitch and unrealsed can be added to the list."[sic], please refer to the name of the article. DanPMK 07:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I could agree to that --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 13:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just put the glitch and the new pokemon at the bottom of the page with the "See Also" section?--LRO 22:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Put them in and leave them in. They're real. They exist in the games. This makes them real.

71.32.125.234 16:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC) Jon Armor Mode[reply]

While they are "real glitches" they are not "real Pokémon". Actual Pokémon would not cause the game to potentially crash, or have undesired effects to the game. --SaturnYoshi 00:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They are glitches. not real pokemon, and while they exist in later games, none, and I repeat, NONE appear on the national dex. Besides, isn't there a list of Glitches in pokemon games or a list of glitch pokemon? Bitsy100 04:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon 387-403

According to the featured article blurb on the main page, there are 403 Pokemon currently. Why are only 386 listed here and on other "list of Pokemon" pages? -Elmer Clark 06:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because none of the Fourth Generation Pokémon have a number yet, nor do we know where they will stand on the National Pokédex some people feel that they should not added to the list yet. It's pretty much explained in the above heading regarding glitches. -SaturnYoshi 06:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks, makes sense. -Elmer Clark 00:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about the new starters? Surely their numbers can be guessed, because the will be the next one, the fourth next one, and the seventh next one.

I'm all for adding the new Pokémon to the list. But I think it'll just get reverted until the new Pokédex comes out. And besides, we don't know the names for numbers 388, 389, 391, 392, 394, 395 and so on, so there will be holes in the list. --SaturnYoshi 21:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At least two are known, or are supposed to be known. Whether holes in the Pokémon list is acceptable or not I'll leave to more learned people than myself. In the meantime I've taken it upon myself to include references to Missingno,'M and the known fourth generation Pokémon. I've also left room for up to another 114 Pokémon. Yeah, I know I forgot to sign in... --Nightwolf Nogitsune 03:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Deoxys Form

I put this on the Deoxys talk page as well, but I'm not sure how many people read that page, so I'm mentioning it here too. When looking up info on Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, I came across an add showcasing new Diamond and Pearl colors for the DS Lite. Down in the bottom left of the picture I found is, without a doubt, a shadow of a new fifth Deoxys form. See for yourselves here [1]. I believe that this should be mentioned in the article. -SaturnYoshi 03:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article? The one that doesn't make any distinction between the Deoxys forms? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, in the Deoxys article. I wrote the same thing on it's talk page, but not many people read the talk pages of individual Pokémon. I thought I would definately get a response if I added the topic here too. -SaturnYoshi 05:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest asking on the talk page of the Pokémon Wikiproject. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll do that. Thanks for your input. -SaturnYoshi 06:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind... Appearently it's a hoax. -SaturnYoshi 06:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Missingno.

What's the matter with having a note at the bottom at least acknowledging Missingno. and 'M's existance? Yes, they technically aren't official Pokémon, and there are many other glitches that occur in the same way Missingno. and 'M do, but then again, Missingno. and 'M are more well-known than most (you'll find an article about Missingno., but not an article about a lesser known glitch like the ones found in corrupted Hall of Fames). If they can't be put in the official list, they should at least be acknowledged somewhere on the page -- because even though they are only glitches in the Pokémon games, they can still be treated as Pokémon. It also seems as though others have also tried putting Missingno. on the list.

In case someone decides to put the tag bag on, this is the tag: Note: Although technically not Pokémon, Missingno. and 'M have the ID #000 (proven when stats is seen). Their status as Pokémon is disputed because they and many other glitches are the result of game errors. However, they are necessary for the game to function.

One more note: In a Pokémon guide book, when they mention Missingno. they say "these Pokémon(!?) can distrupt the game", indicating that they weren't sure whether to classify them as Pokémon or not.

Latitude0116 07:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We do acknowledge their existence in many other articles. This article is a list of Pokémon, and error handlers in one set of games aren't Pokémon. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Goes to 501

This list goes to 501 and then stops. Has it been confirmed that there will be 501 Pokémon (we need a source!), or is this just speculation? And if it's speculation, I suggest we remove all the slack at the end of the list so we don't suggest that there will be 501 Pokémon. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that it is just speculation based on the fact that 100 Pokémon were added to G/S/C and 135 were added to Rb/Sa/Em. So, whoever put up to 501 is just assuming that at least 100 or so monsters will be added. --SaturnYoshi 06:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What I'll do is hide the D&P list from the article. I put it into a comment tag, but the list itself can still be edited, it's just not displayed. When we're ready for it to be visable again (when the list is complete), all we have to do is remove the at the end. (I was thinking of moving the list to the talk page instead, but that got messy. --Brandon Dilbeck 16:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fair enough to me. --SaturnYoshi 21:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. At least the numbers won't need retyped. Nightwolf Nogitsune 04:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The useless paragraph in ALL of the Pokémon species articles

What exactly is the point of having this paragraph:

The purpose of INSERT NAME HERE in the games, anime and manga, as with all other Pokémon, is to battle both wild Pokémon, untamed creatures encountered while the player passes through various environments, and tamed Pokémon owned by Pokémon trainers.

...at the beginning of EVERY LAST ARTICLE on a specific Pokémon? Something like that belongs in the main Pokémon article, not repeated endlessly on the hundreds of individual species pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.51.124 (talk • contribs)

The point is to give the articles context in case someone runs across them without much prior knowledge of the series. --Sparky Lurkdragon 20:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting point. See the Pokémon Collaborative Project's talk page for this discussion. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For that matter, I don't really see the need for having a separate page for every single Pokémon. Needless fancruft, I say. It's not worth the effort to delete these articles, though, so I won't bother trying it. -Amatulic 03:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This was already discussed before anyway. -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While some Pokémon are arguably more notable than others (Pikachu, Meowth, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo are a few notable ones), something can be said for every Pokémon, and all (or almost all) of them have appeared in several video games, at least one television episode, a trading card, perhaps in a comic book—Combining all the Pokémon into one article would create the longest, most difficult-to-navigate page in the entire Wikipedia. People would then begin to complain about that page. At least take solace in the fact that you aren't required to visit and read every Pokémon species page. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Why is it that people who don't even contribute to the Pokémon articles are the ones that have the most problems with them? -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've Added the Diamond/Pearl Pokemon-Feedback Please

Alright, before everyone attacks me telling me how many rules I've broken, I'd like to explain my reasoning for putting the list of fourth generation Pokemon up. The reason? Diamond and Pearl came out today, and Serebii.net has the info, including sprites for all of them. Many new evolutions have been revealed, including the confirmation that Lucario and Manaphy are not legendary. Many Pokemon have "Name Unknow" for their name, this is because their name is unknown but there is a sprite of them. Please tell me what you think, and do it nicely-I tried to follow the rules...ShadowUltra 23:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The game is released on Thursday, and one of the Serebii editors has an early copy. I've reverted the addition of the Nat'l numbers until later in the week, when the game is generally released and we don't risk repeating any mistakes made by Serebii. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Serebii and one of the editors (Coronis) have copies aand are vefiying each other. this article says the release date was today. However, you know much more about this article than I do, and you told me nicely, so I'll keep it as it is =D ShadowUltra 23:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone changed that, based on the fact that Serebii has a copy. -_- There's a ton of commentary on this subject on WT:PCP, including a bunch of articles to work on this week while we wait for confirmation on D/P stuff. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you bother to undo the changes I just did? Those are the numbers based on the screenshot of the one before Giratina being 488, so it's not speculation or anything. Nemu 23:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where did this screenshot come from? A reliable source, or a random fansite? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it was on Serebii, which is listed a a source about five times in a featured article, so I would assume that should be reliable enough. It's also based on the game data, and if that isn't reliable, I don't know what is. Nemu 23:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Serebii is not a reliable source in the case of extremely-new data; they get things wrong all the time. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly do you get a picture with no signs of editing wrong? And is the game data, which has been on many different sites with basically no change not reliable? Nemu 23:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You put it over on a notoriously credulous fandom. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, dammit, the National Dex is Accurate on Serebii. Update.

Serebii and Coronis have independantly recieved and confirmed all National dex numbers as seen here. It would be appreciated if the article was formatted to include those.

You know, Nintenfreak, no one is stopping you from updating the list yourself. -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Except that I don't have the skills required to update it. I'm just a fact checker.--Nintenfreak 00:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, well... Updated. -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Official romanization

Can I please get a source on the official romanizations? I'm editing the Japanese name in the templates (which are supposed to contain the official romanizations) and I want to be sure I'm not going on somebody's bullshit guesses. Interrobamf 23:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OH NO!

Who put this up for deleation, we finally get a version we can agree on and it gets put up for delation! (As is the Johto Dex NAY I SAY NAY!!Lego3400: The Sage of Time 21:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glitch Pokemon

I got an idea why won't we have a part in the pokedex that says glitch pokemon.(Master King 21:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Because this is a List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number. Only real Pokemon, and only if they have a national pokedex number. Period. DanPMK 22:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unown, Deoxys, etc.

WikidSmaht, what is you barrier against comprehensiveness? This article is a good consolidated list of english and japanese names, but you keep reverting additions to it. 24.154.222.178 16:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Angel the Techrat[reply]

Sortable list

I thought I should point out that new Wikipedia technology could practically and unupsettingly make this article obsolete. MediaWiki has introduced the ability to make lists sortable. This would mean that we could basically merge the lists of Pokémon by name, stage, National Dex, Johto Dex, Hoenn Dex, and Sinnoh Dex all into one sortable list.

Recall a while ago that a few people wanted to delete most of these list articles because there were just so many of them, but the main argument against that was that each needed to be sorted separately. But now that lists can be sorted by the viewers, all these problems can easily be solved!

Well, actually, there are still a few bugs to be worked out. See the discussion at the Pokémon Collaborative Project's talk page if you want to see a few samples and discuss this. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit

Someone put "Mantyke" next to Yukinoo—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.77.189.37 (talk) 23:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but the person reverted him- or herself already.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 23:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

D-Boy: Yeah, Serebii.net recently confirmed that Mantyke was Tamanta's English name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.223.36.114 (talk • contribs)

Sorry, we're only accepting information from official sources on such matters, so for the time being we're keeping Tamanta.—ウルタプ 02:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Partial) Restoration

Yes, I did it again, and I don't exactly have the patience, or the time, to give another full-fledged explanation of how to keep the page. Go to Krystal's talk page for an explanation, because I did the same thing there (although, in that case, it was eventually reverted and protected.) --Luigifan 12:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I agree with the users there that this isn't necessary. If people want to see the page as it was before, they're still going to have to dig through the history, so this doesn't serve any practical purpose. I'm reverting it. If you can give a viable reason for doing this, discuss it here instead of just doing it again please.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 21:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my only beef with the other one is that it's not divided into the "generations" of Pokémon. To be honest, it's probably a better list in every other way. Perhaps somebody could divide the new list into segments the same way that this list was? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigifan (talk • contribs) 02:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If that was done, the list would unfortunately not sort correctly. I suppose ordering the Pokémon by their respective generations would generally give you those Pokémon at the top of the list, although there are usually other Pokémon from previous generations in each generation's Pokédex in addition to the ones introduced in said generation -- and the Sinnoh Pokédex doesn't even include various fourth-generation Pokémon. If one were to be looking for the Pokémon in each generation, though, they could always look at Category:First-generation Pokémon, Category:Second-generation Pokémon, Category:Third-generation Pokémon, and Category:Fourth-generation Pokémon.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 02:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if the list were split up, it could only be sorted within each section. That’s why the intro specifies which Pokémon are from which generation, and those generation categories are linked at the bottom. --WikidSmaht (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]