Talk:List of Palestinian flags

Use of Tamir Sorek article

The list of Mandate era proposals on the Wikipedia article only includes one with an orange or the color orange, but there were apparently more... AnonMoos (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Article Restructuring

considering breaking the flags sections into Arab Flags, Zionist Flags and Official flags or something to that effect. There isn't much rhyme or reason to the way its done now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:6880:6C62:11CF:8971 (talk) 07:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

we're missing a TON of history here, im going to move in a byzantine flag to the historical and then look at the restructure as time goes on. are all the articles on this topic so poorly done? no wonder people are so misinformed! might have to hit this much harder. for starters i actually used to read the Larousse book when i was a kid, ill see if my aunt still has it. im pretty sure i know what it is/was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:D42E:8DDB:2330:87AB (talk) 18:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

with the roman flag that gets us back to the dawn of palestine. ill try to make some note of that in the redo. probably make a real account too. 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:1844:4B27:3776:E535 (talk) 23:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The Fatimid Caliphate has two flags, but im not seeing much historical evidence for the green flag around? does anyone have that handy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:D42E:8DDB:2330:87AB (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

on the wikipedia page about this flag, it says it was used for 3 years. "817, when the Abbasid caliph al-Ma'mun adopted the Alid Ali al-Ridha a his heir apparent, he also changed the dynastic color from black to green. The change was reverted when al-Ma'mun had Ali killed, and returned to Baghdad in 819"

this might actually be a proposed flag or something different? probably found a good spot to start on fixing this up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_flag 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:1844:4B27:3776:E535 (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The Fatimids and Abbasids long predated rectangular national flags, but they definitely had dynastic colors, and sometimes flags of the dynastic colors (though not necessarily rectangular). See Black Standard to start with... AnonMoos (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

looking at this more, whats up with the Flag used in The 1936 Palestine Revolution and 1945–1948

Flag of Palestine ? those arent mentioned anywhere and they dont have anything to support them being in the history section. ill probably move them down or w/e when i get a plan together. 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:1844:4B27:3776:E535 (talk) 23:48, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Jewish Flag

here is a quote from the mandate of palestine minutes concerning flags. this makes the blue white and gold star of david flag a proposed flag at the very least and as it seems it may have been considered to have the honor of being the flag at some point it may very well move up the list. this would also explain its inclusion in the book:

"....The Arabs complained also that it was prohibited to fly the Arab flag, while all honour was given to the Jewish flag. The reason which the mandatory Power appeared to give was that the Arab flag, like the Arab hymn, were State emblems, while those used by the Jews had not the same character."

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-203687/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:6880:6C62:11CF:8971 (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Your quote doesn't say anything about a purported blue-white flag with golden star of David. If anything a blue-white flag would probably refer to a variant of a Zionist Congress flag, a flag like this one, or any other variant. The original Larousse publication, the one with the faulty "Mandate of Palestine" flag, is riddled with errors and non-existent flags (Holy See, USSR, Syria among others), and, until recently, no source had ever mentioned this design. Looking through various sources and after doing quite an extensive Google search, every single non-Larousse result links back or directly cites this picture/file on Wikipedia. This design has never been a purported flag and is very likely just an error made 80 years ago, like already discussed years ago in this talk page of the Flag of Mandatory Palestine. It's thus quite unencyclopedic to keep this file on this article. --HolonZeias (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

the discussion wasnt well researched but i will put the other two on this page for now as you suggested based on the information from the mandate. Thanks! 2600:1700:5F2D:2800:E8D5:60B9:2492:CD7F (talk) 18:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to add the "Larousse" flag back to this because it is featured along side the British flag in the 1933 Anglo-Palestine exhibition in London. It's actually probably one of the better documented flags of that era.

https://files.kedem-auctions.com/files/Ol14-public/28_1.jpg NukeSlywalker (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

In fact what you added is not the Larousse flag, nor have you shown a connection to the 1st Zionist Congress (for which you give the wrong year) nor does the source give the details of which Zionist flag it was referring to (there were many designs), nor does it say that it it was proposed as the flag of Palestine (actually the opposite: "The flag referred to was a Zionist emblem. It was never paraded as a State flag..") So it is gone. Please come up with sources that say exactly what you want the article to say and not just sources that are vaguely related. Zero^talk 05:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Roman Flag Problem

I've just been reading this article and noticed that there is a contradiction in the historical flags section. The Roman flag image and description are completely misaligned! This is not an area I'm familiar with so am not sure what is proper, but want to flag it as a fix request! All best, Arcendeight (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

They're both wrong. The Roman empire simply did not have any form of national flag. It had military emblems of various kinds, carried around on the tops of poles, both 3D symbols (modern term "Vexilloid") and 2D ("vexillum"). The motto abbreviation SPQR and the eagle were both certainly symbolically associated with the Roman empire, but not in the form of anything we would recognize as a national flag. Also, the 4-"B" cross didn't become a symbol of the Byzantine empire until about 500 years after the Muslim conquest of the Levant, as discussed in Byzantine flags and insignia, so that's wrong too... AnonMoos (talk) 00:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of historical flags and dates

This article is a misrepresentation in one aspect because it doesn't contain the Palestinian flag which consists of two columns. One being blue and one being white with a gold star of David in the middle which existed from 1924 until 1948. This article erases an important fact and actually contradicts another article of this encyclopedia regarding this subject. See https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Flag_of_Palestine_(1924).svg 2604:25C0:E03:8101:2500:512B:4A6E:47C (talk) 17:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

That flag File:Flag_of_Palestine_(1924).svg has been discussed intensively at Talk:Flag_of_Mandatory_Palestine, but in over 8 years, no one has been able to say what it was, other than something which appeared in a French dictionary. It certainly was not an official flag of the British Palestine Mandate... AnonMoos (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

By the way, the usual terminology for such a flag with two color blocks is a "vertical bicolor". AnonMoos (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)