Talk:List of Mr. Robot episodes

Futon Releases

Are the Futon Critic releases for the individual episodes reliable? For example, for (#201/202) "eps2.0_unm4sk-pt1.tc; eps2.0_unm4sk-pt2.tc":

back. one month later and omfg, five/nine changed the world. elliot in seclusion. Angela happy at evil corp. fsociety delivers malicious payload. TANGO DOWN?

Whereas at IBtimes, it gives:

The Season 2 premiere finds Elliot in seclusion; Angela happy at E Corp; and fsociety delivering a malicious payload.

Which seems far more professional (for want of a better word). Alex|The|Whovian^?

Yes. USA Network generates those summaries. They did the same thing last year. They're meant to look like SMS/Twitter/whatever; all part of the tech-speak ethos the show is using (i.e. the episode names, season number, etc.) The same thing is on the DVDs. All ibtimes did was change the language to simple English, probably grabbing it from TV Guide or TitanTV, which provide summaries to various cable providers' guides. It's exactly what's on my cable guide. --Drmargi (talk) 03:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I personally loathe IBT. — Wyliepedia 02:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not terribly familiar with it other than it seems to be one of several similar publications that picks up and regurgitates what other sources have published. I'm more inclined to question its veracity. --Drmargi (talk) 03:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Running times vary.

According to the main article Mr. Robot (TV series) running times vary from 41 to 65 minutes, which is quite a spread. Could someone therefore please add each episode's running time to this list. Martin. 93.95.251.162 (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Running times usually aren't noted in episode lists. If there's article for a single episode, then the running time is usually included in the infobox. If you want to know the individual episode running times, look here via iTunes: season 1 and season 2. Hope that helps you. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Season 4 episode titles

There is a warning in comments saying

Do not add a sentence regarding the "HTTP status" format of Season 4's titles without a reliable source; see previous seasons and their episode notes as an example

What would be a reliable source in this case? Could it be a link to the list of HTTP statuses that match titles of the released episodes? Could it be link to the interview with someone from IT industry stating that as a fact (example)? Or should it only be link to someone from the show authors confirming this source of the title names? If the latter, it seems to be a bit too much − it’s already pretty obvious by now (after three episodes have aired) that episodes titles match HTTP statuses. Stansult (talk) 19:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

That Vice source looks suffice. I will add it now. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:27, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The Vice source is good (debatable, though, given that it cites Wikipedia). However, finding a list of HTTP status codes and comparing it to the episode title to match them up, that is not good - that is textbook WP:SYNTH. -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Ratings

Hey guys, it might be a good idea to expand the ratings to three decimal places to show the full unrounded viewership numbers. This is generally practiced when series have viewership under 1 million, and since only the first 12 episodes of the show were above 1 million, with every episode after that under, it might be beneficial. The sources cited use the unrounded numbers as well. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I prefer it that way too but don't really care enough to start a discussion if the ratings have been established on a page in another way. It may be quicker for you if you bring up TVseriesfinale for each season when unrounding so you don't have to click on each episode source. Esuka (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

The graph would look better with high contrast colors regardless of matching the season artwork. So it wasn't random. Just a thought. Crimsonite~enwiki (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Series finale titles

I have yet to see episode 13, so I'm being wary of spoilers, but I found this source which lists the episode titles for 412 and 413 (which were added by Wikipedical with this edit, but was later reverted). I'm assuming USA Network has simply yet to update the placeholder titles. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

I've tagged the titles with {{Additional citation needed}}; this is literally the only source I can find that uses these titles. As far as I'm concerned, the title is still "Series Finale Part 1/2", as that can be reliably sourced across multiple sources. -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

I think we're jumping the gun. The majority of sources, including both USA's site and NBC's media site use "Series Finale Part 1/2". Only Hollywood Reporter differs. As reliable as they are, we can't make a change based one differing source or the supposition the standing titles are placeholders. We have to go with what's verifiable. These changes get made, as inconsistent with the pattern of the remaining episode titles as may be. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 23:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

The NBCUniversal press site does list "Hello, Elliot" as episode 413 in the photo gallery, the official NBC website lists those titles as well, and same for iTunes. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the USA Network & NBCUniversal are just slow at updating their placeholder titles for the final two episodes? I really don't believe either that one of the most intelligent shows on television would have a two part series finale called Series Finale. It doesn't make much sense. Esuka (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

That's my guess, it's clear they didn't want to reveal anything prior to the series finale–thus, the placeholder titles of "Series Finale Part 1/2". NBCUniversal uploaded promo photos to their press site for the final episode after the series finale aired, and the caption does say "Hello, Elliot" as the episode title. It's the holidays, so I don't expect USA Network to be changing the titles on their website anytime soon. But, "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" exist in enough other reliable sources to hopefully be used on here. But, I will wait for consensus. Happy Holidays! Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Given the three links above, I'm happy with those as sources for the updated titles. No issues from me here. Happy holidays. -- /Alex/₂₁ 14:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The notion that the Season Finale titles are some sort of "placeholder" is an assumption with no foundation and little precident (as well as OR). I find it highly unlikely; episodes have titles before they go into production as a rule and certainly when they are submitted to the network. On the other hand, networks change episode titles all the time for a variety of reasons; it's far, far more likely USA changed the titles to make clear this was the series finale, especially given the meagre publicity the final season got (a real missed opportunity given Malek's Oscar, if nothing else.) But we don't know and we can't guess. I agree, it seems very likely the intended titles were the ones iTunes used, but they aren't the final titles, that's clear, and regrettably we have to go with them ("Season Finale, Part 1/2"), particularly given that's what went out for broadcast and is on the USA website. A far simpler move would be to add "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" as alternate titles. Has anyone tweeted Sam Esmail and asked him about it? ----Dr.Margi ✉ 16:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

It's fairly plausible though that USA Network didn't want to reveal anything, thus the titles. No summaries were released either, even on the NBCUniversal source from the main article, see [1]. Usually you get the "fsociety" hacker lingo & the normal variations depending on what your provider uses for the network. I also don't believe that USA Network or NBCU cared about the publicity beyond the awards & critical acclaim(Much like the FX network and its shows). The ratings have been poor for a long time yet they gave Esmail a blank check to create his masterpiece. And with that being said, Merry Christmas everyone. Esuka (talk) 19:15, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The titles now appear on the respective episode pages on USA Network under the season and episode numbers (in the same spot as all the other episode titles) – "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot". While the titles haven't been updated everywhere on the website, it's clear that these are the finalized titles. Can we remove the placeholder titles from the article? Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

No, because they went out under those titles, like 'em or not. That they are "placeholders" is an assumption with nothing to back it up; as I noted earlier, networks change titles for a variety of reasons. The article is a accurate and complete as it is. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 22:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

These updated titles didn't come from nowhere, and it's pretty clear that these are the actual episode titles, not released prior to the episode to avoid any spoilers. These are the titles that should be used, with a note (using the note template, not using |alt_title= should be where this original released title is explained. --Gonnym (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Note: I have posted this at WP:TV here to gain a wider consensus regarding this. My preferred version of this would be:

1. "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" replace "Series Finale Part 1" and "Series Finale Part 2" as episode titles in the Ratings subsection.

2. "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" replace "Series Finale Part 1" and "Series Finale Part 2" in the episode table in the |Title= parameter.

3. A note is left beside the titles, stating something on the lines of "The episodes were originally broadcast under the titles Series Finale Part 1 and Series Finale Part 2" followed by a reference, probably the one from NBCUniversal. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

I do not understand this mania for trying to pretend that "Series Finale, Part 1" and "Series Finale, Part 2" are other than what they are: the titles under which the episodes were broadcast. No one questions that "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" were the titles at production, but USA made a change which was widely publicized and in place at the time of the original broadcast and the article has to reflect that. The article is complete, verifiable, accurate and encyclopedic as it is. Any change based on conjecture that they were spoilers or "placeholders" sans any sort of sourcing WP:OR. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 21:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

How can you claim "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" were the titles at production, when those titles were never known publicly until after the episodes were broadcast. If anything it's the other way around, the new/final titles replace older titles. Since you don't seem to be budging one bit, how about we at least move "whoami" and "Hello, Elliot" to the |Title= parameter, while the other moves to AltTitle. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Occam's Razor, and the fact Esmail has titled every other episode. Networks change titles all the time for their own reasons; more often than not, we never know they've done it. But, moving on... I could live with flipping the titles the way you suggest, as long as we stop trying to characterize the Season Finale titles as placeholders, spoilers or something else. The note should simply state that they went out under SF1 and SF2, then the original titles were released later. It's all verifiable and we're in good shape. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 21:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect plot description for 38

It says that Vera tells Krista he has spiked her coffee and if this is discovered in a drugs test she will lose access to her son.

Actually it is Elliot who does this to Olivia and she is certainly not tied to a chair.

It is in a later episode where Krista is tied to a chair by Vera. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.214.211 (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)