Talk:List of Meerkat Manor meerkats/Archive 1

Archive 1

All meerkats

This is a list of all meerkats from Meerkat Manor, so I think we acutally should add them all. Cruise meerkat 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not a list of ALL meerkats from Meerkat Manor, it is a list of notable meerkats. The Wikipedia Notability guidelines still apply to this article. Nor should the meerkats that are not on the show be listed (Young Ones is not a group on the show). AnmaFinotera 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up; Restructure

In an effort to improve the quality of this list, I've reformatted it to be more in keeping with a standard "character" list for a show. I've also started rewriting/expanding each meerkat's section to be sure its neutral with citations from the show and other reliable sources, and reads well. See Shakespeare and Tosca's sections for an example of what I'm aiming at. Feedback is, of course, appreciated, and if anyone wants to help, following the examples given, feel free. Just change the tag to inuse while you're working and back to underconstruction when done so we don't overlap. :) My hope is that with this new format, some images may be able to be added, pending the outcome of the current discussion at WP:NFCC concerning non-free images in lists.

BTW, did y'all know that List of Meerkat Manor episodes is currently a Featured List Candidate? I hope to have this list there one day too! AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

We really need some pictures for this list though. Anyone with the DVD sets who could get group shots for each of the major groups? We can't do individual pictures without violating WP:NFCC, but one shot for each group would be great. If no one else can get the pictures, I'm gonna see if I can rent the DVDs to get some, since the AP promotional images are useless due to having no labels (doh). My ultimate goal is featured topic now that ep list is a featured list and the main article is an FAC. *grin* AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Should recent events be listed?

SPOILER ALERT FOR NON-SHOW STUFF, DO NOT READ IF YOU WISH TO AVOID IT; INCLUDES IMPLICATIONS OF THE FATE OF SEVERAL MEERKATS:

The FKMP has shown some insane activity with the meerkats over the past few months (notable ones including Zaphod taking over Aztecs, and Vivian and Young Ones dying out and leaving the area respectively). Should this be included? I noticed Cazanna's death is listed and Axel's true heritage is mentioned, but everything else seems to be purely show-based, so I'm not sure whether to work on adding in the extra info. Plus, there's the whole research name thing, with meerkats like JD/Carlos. 70.189.239.192 (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Right now the whole article is being reworked to fill out the meerkat profiles. For the most part, information here needs to be directly sourceable to a specific episode, so until season 4 airs and we see what AP will be doing with meerkat names and group names, and in which episode events will occur, we can't include that information. Filming has been underway awhile, so Zaphod's taking over of the Aztecs may be something that won't be shown until half way in the season. I'm inclined to want to include Cazanna's death, however we don't know if they will even bother filming the group at all, so until we know how AP will deal with it, again, it has to wait.

Axel's true heritage, however, if properly sourced, can be added as supplementary information since its not subjective to AP whims and it isn't going to change. The research names can only be added when a valid, verifiable, reliable source can be given (as was done with Tosca). Since KMP has decided to make the full list something only people can get by being a member. If they ever decide to publish it freely on their site, or some other third-party reliable source mentions connections, then they can be added (again, with the reference as was done with Tosca's entry) AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I think JD should be listed as dead or something, and I have the proof, yes, here it is, under the Starsky header, its also proof that he was Carlos, at least some of the time: http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com/index.php?id=lost_groups Cruise meerkat (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that isn't proof that the meerkat called JD in MM is the same as the real meerkat named JD. It is only proof that Carlos' real name was JD and that he is dead (and it is used as a source in Carlos' section). Since MM renamed JD to Carlos, they could have renamed some other meerkat to JD. As far as MM portrayed, their JD and Carlos were two different meerkats. Unless there is verifiable sourcing to show that JD in the show was protrayed by the real JD and not someone else, he can not be listed as dead until the next series starts and then only if MM actually includes the Lazuli at all, since they have been phased out over the last few series and were barely seen in series 3 at all. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Umm, well, I think that two other things should be changed. Both are in the Flower book. Noi, wait, three, and all three are in Tim Clutton-Brock's book.

• 1. Zaphod isn't Rocket Dog's father as Yossarian was the dominant male at the time. I think the thing under Zaphod should say "since his neice" and not "since his daughter", despite what the show says.

• 2. Flower did NOT have over 70 pups. I really think Mick Kaczorowski is not a valid source, he said a King Cobra killed Flower, when he's the producer and King Cobras don't even live in Africa! AP changed it to the rightful Cape Cobra, but in actuality the type of snake couldn't be identified(or is that with another meerkat I'm thinking of?). Anyway, Flower had 46 surviving pups in her lifetime, but she also gave birth to one or more "lost" litters, which means the pups died or were killed by other pregnant females.

• 3. Yossarian did NOT get the scar by being dropped, this is one of the most annoying things I find with the AP lies. He got it in a dominance fight with Zaphod(the one that made him DM).

As said before, sources for all these are the MM book. Cruise meerkat (talk) 04:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured with Yossarian having once been dominate male that the father of quite a few of the meerkats is up in the air. Can you give me page numbers for those three items? I can add corrective notes for Zaphod and Yossarian. For Flower, considering how many pups died or killed, is it possible that she had 70 pups total, with 46 of them actually surviving? AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I will have to get back to you with page numbers and the 46-70 answer, as I don't have the book nat the moment(I will get it back tonight). Cruise meerkat (talk) 20:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The page numbers for Yossarian's dominance are 229 and 230.

The page number for Yossarian's scar is 156.

I think Flower would have had to have at least 4-6 lost litters to be in the 70 range. Would abortions count also? Without abortions she had two lost litters, not much luck there, just short of 70 I'd say, but she had 5 abortions, and counting abortion of litters I think that she would have well over 70. Cruise meerkat (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Lola

I'm sorry for making a new post thing, but Lola wasn't even three years old when they said she had been leading the group for three years. http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com/fileadmin/files/LH_reports/List_Meerkat_names_2007.pdf Her birthdate indicates this. She(well, she's gone now - but Punk is her littermate) isn't even three years old at the time of this post! Cruise meerkat (talk) 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I will add a note about it. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrong

Mozart wasn't killed by a jackal.he was found in the trees, eaten by a bird of prey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meerkat manor II (talk • contribs) 02:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The series shows Mozart dead on the ground, and the voice over says jackal. Nothing KMP put on their site contradicts that. Also, Mozart was female. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you are right Mozart was killed by a bird of prey but it doesn't say so on the public FKMP site. Cruise meerkat (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Aztecs

Animal Planet has given a few of the episode descriptions for season 4, and they mention Aztecs a lot. So, I guess they will be featured a lot in season 4. Can I change the article? Cruise meerkat (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I've already done it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

New Main Members

Animal Planet has redone the Family Tree and has many new members. Many of them have descriptions as well. Should they be included on this page? Meerkatxoxo (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look and see. So far, though, no, as only one episode has aired, and AP doesn't always limit its site to just the major meerkats. The new ones mentioned haven't appeared on the show yet, so we can't say what episode they first appeared in, etc. Interesting to see Daisy isn't listed. I don't remember seeing her in the first episode either. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe Daisy is out as she was really thr same meerkat over the 3 seasons. Most likely Sophie will take her place as a wayward sister.

Loving' Meerkatxoxo (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

All Meerkats / Meerkat Groups

I think that all meerkats and their groups should be listed other wise it's not a proper list of meerkats on meerkat manor it's meerkats on meerkat manor that anyone can be bothered to research —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.248.57 (talk) 10:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

No. This is not a list of ALL meerkats. Wikipedia is not a Meerkat Manor series guide. It is a list of the notable meerkats who have received coverage in unrelated real world sources, who had some significant role in the series, and about whom verifiable and reliable sourcing can be added. Minor meerkats will not be added. See the archives for previous extensive discussion on this. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

well i think it should be since they are all part of the show because they're part of the group i can eaisly research any of the meerkats but it looks like you are too hard —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepturn (talk • contribs) 13:24, June 23, 2008

So could I but that doesn't make them notable nor necessary to mention. Being part of the group is irrelevant, they are minor characters in the series. We don't list every last character in series, period. That isn't me, its the over all consensus of the television project, of lengthy discussions over this list earlier, the results of the peer review and featured list candidacy process, and Wikipedia as a whole.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

well i think and i'm sure alot of people agree with me that more meerkats and there groups should be added i think it's common sense to do so —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepturn (talk • contribs) 11:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, no. And no, "a lot" of people don't agree with you. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

and some do so why exclude people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepturn (talk • contribs) 10:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Because policy and guidelines disagree, and those people, including you, want to add false information. We do not yield to people who want to add information irrelevant to the article, unsurced fancruft, etc. If you want ALL of the meerkats, including those that are not in the series, go to the Meerkat wikia. You will not find them here, ever. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Zaphod

Zaphod should be off the Whiskers dominant list as he, in the series and real life, is in the Aztecs group. Rocket Dog, in the series and real life, will never have a dominant male and only produces one litter. Maybelline(Monkulus) has succesfully been producing litters either fathered by Zaphod or rovers.

Zaphod should be listed as dominant male of AZTECS. No dominant male in Whiskers even though Zorro has been sorta acting like the dominant male.

Loving' Meerkatxoxo (talk) 20:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, NO. This list is for the TELEVISION series, NOT the real life meerkats. Stop removing sourced information and changing it to unsourced, false information. Additionally, as this is a featured list and must maintain a high standard at all time, the list will not be significantly modified with updates on the various groups until the series has been completely aired. At that point, it will be updated with the appropriate season 4 summaries for giving the entire picture of events, not just what happened in one or two episodes. After the series airs, any meerkats that are shown to be notable in the entire season will also then be added. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Zaphod or Mitch

The article still shows Zaphod as the dominant male of the Whiskers. However, recent episodes of Meerkat Manor (July 11, 2008 episode) have shown Zaphod to now be roaming and Mitch to be establishing himself as the dominant male. Can someone either change the article or explain the discrepency?

JakeH07 (talk) 04:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)JakeH07

Until the current season is done, its showing the season 3 info to avoid doing episode by episode updates (also, Mitch isn't the dominant male, just one of the males...Rocket Dog technically has no dominant male right now). However, I'm gonna do a mid-season update, with proper sources. Hopefully it will help deal with the issues of people changing over and over. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that will clear everything up. :) JakeH07 (talk) 04:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)JakeH07

And done. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)