Talk:List of MPs not excluded from the English parliament in 1648

Rump Parliament

A very useful list, but why not call this Members of the Rump Parliament or Initial members of the Rump Parliament or something similar? -- PBS (talk) 23:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

This is to get some consistency with the other lists of MPs that are given by general election dates. The Long Parliament gives a bit of a problem because its compostition changed so much. Pride's Purge was in fact a sort of election, so it could have been called "MPs selected to the English parliament in Pride's Purge in 1648". Using nicknames is not as helpful as the average reader will not understand them - and the Rump actually convened on two occasions years apart. You could create a Category for Members of the Rump Parliament. However the important thing for now is to fill out the list rather than worry about its name.Motmit (talk) 08:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

While I agree that the content is more important than the names -- and thank you for your Stirling workon this and similar articles -- I do not think that nicknames are not as helpful as dates for the average reader. People tend to remember nicknames long after they have forgotten the date or the correct name, eg "Bomber Harris" is far more recognisable than "Author Harris".

I think for most English children who study this period Rump Parliament is one of the most a memorial names in history because like their bawdy ancestors they think naming a parliament after a bottom is funny. (when George Monck recalled the Long Parliament the Londoners held street parties and roasted Rumps, Pepys Saturday 11 February 1659/60 names like Short followed by Long and the also memorable Barebones Parliament (it and he sounds like, and behaved like, caricatures made up by Monty Python) are I think these names much easier to remember than the dates of the events. -- PBS (talk) 10:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you, but speaking personally I am only just getting to grips seriously with the chronology of the period since the schoolkid's "1066 and all that" stuff left me completely confused and ignorant as to what happened when. The international readership, which far outnumbers the few (sadly) English children who study history properly at all, will not even have that background. Motmit (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Henry Lucas

Henry Lucas is listed here. But in his own article it is stated he was excluded by Pride's Purge , and the Cambridge University (UK Parliament constituency) page says "secluded" --Rumping (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sir John Lenthall

Noble says Sir John Lenthall was excluded. For the moment I have simply added a note. Is Noble reliable? Rjm at sleepers (talk) 07:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You will find Noble cited in reliable sources but his work has been criticised: See User:PBS/Library#Mark Noble. It is probably best to treat his works like primary sources on only cite him if you can find a more reliable secondary source that cites him. -- PBS (talk) 14:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

There were two Sir John Lenthalls one was the man we are discussing and the other was his uncle. According to the ODNB this Sir John was not excluded: "Lenthall, Sir John (1624/5–1681) ... Elected MP for Gloucester in 1645, he survived Pride's purge of parliament in December 1648 and continued to sit in the Rump Parliament until 1653. ... He was a commissioner for the trial of King Charles I but did not sit." (Clayton, Sarah (2004). "Lenthall, Sir John (1624/5–1681)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/16466. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)) -- PBS (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

List for 1659 Rump Parliament

Here is a list of MPs still alive from the Long Parliament in 1659. Those excluded and those included (a list of those in the Rump Parliament at the time when Cromwell stopped its session on 20 April 1653):

• The Parliamentary Or Constitutional History of England: Being a Faithful Account of All the Most Remarkable Transactions in Parliament, from the Earliest Times; Collected from the Journals of Both Houses, the Records, Original Manuscripts, Scarce Speeches, and Tracts; All Compared with the Several Contemporary Writers, and Connected, Throughout, with the History of the Times, vol. 21, T. Osborne and W. Sandby, 1760, pp. 372–376

Page 375 contains the list of Rumpers and page 376 concludes "total Number 91" and then adds details of the numbers who took their seats in 1659. -- PBS (talk) 19:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The total Number, 91

James Ashe Alderman Atkins, William Ayre, Mr. Baker; Col. Bennet, Col. Bingham, Daniel Blagrave, Mr. Brewster, William Cawly, Thomas Chaloner, Mr. Cecil, the Self-degraded Earl of Salisbury, Robert Cecil, his Son, John Corbet, Henry Darley, Richard Darley, Mr. Dixwell, John Dove, Mr. Downes, William Ellis, Mr. Fielder, Mr. Fell, Col. Charles Fleetwood, Augustin Garland, Mr. Gould, John Goodwin, Robert Goodwin, John Gurdon, Mr. Hallowes, Sir James Harrington, Col. Harvy, Sir Arthur Hasilrigge, Mr. Hayes, Mr. Herbert, the self degraded Earl of Pembroke, Roger Hill, Cornelius Holland, Col. Hutchinson, Col. Ingoldsby, Philip Jones, Mr. Leachmcre, Will. Lenthall, Speaker, John Lenthall, his Son, John Lisle, Philip Viscount Lisle, Thomas Lister, Nicholas Love, Col. Ludlow, Henry Martin, a Prisoner in Execution, Mr. Mayne, Sir Henry Mildmay, Gilbert Millington, Col. Herbert Morley, Lord Viscount Monson, a Prisoner in Execution, Henry Nevil, Robert Nicholas, Michael Oldsworth, Mr. Palmer, Alderman Pennington, Sir Gilbert Pickering, John Pine, Edmund Prideaux, William Purefoy, Thomas Pury, Robert Reynolds, Col. Rich, Luke Robinson, Oliver St. John, Major Salway, Mr. Say, Thomas Scott, Major-General Skippon, Augustin Skinner, Mr. Smith, Walter Strickland, Col. Sydenham, James Temple, Col. Temple, Col. Thompson, Serjeant Thorpe, John Trencher, Sir John Trevor, Sir Henry Fane, Mr. Wallop, Sir Thomas Walsingham, Col. Walton, Sir Peter Wentworth, Edmund Weaver, Mr. White, Serjeant Wilde, Sir Thomas Witheringtoth Sir Thomas Wroth.

-- PBS (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)