Talk:List of Kalyeserye episodes

Help: Input Hashtags

Please help in verifying the existing AlDub hashtags and inputting any hashtag that has been missed out (correct spelling if possible). I know there's a list of AlDub hashtags somewhere in the internet but it's proving to be difficult in finding that list. Maybe if we can input them here then we'll have a definitive list of those hashtags. Thank you. Jedjuntereal (talk) 16:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Is AlDub providing the official hashtags? Or do they appear on screen? That should be sourced to their Twitter feed in the header. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I found an article where it explains that the hashtags are coined by a group of fans called "AlDub trendsetters" who "composed of admins who handle official AlDub fan and parody accounts, who meet up every night to decide what hashtag to use the following episode " [1] The episodes are also posted nightly by the network on their Facebook. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

What's the story if there are multiple groups competing with different hashtags? I was spot-checking day 69 and the video on gmanetwork has a different tag from what is posted. [2] has #KiligPaMore and a different Day 68 title. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

AngusWOOF: @ofctrendsetter is the official group that releases the daily hashtags and this is their twitter page. The hashtags released by this group are used by GMA news (the show's television network) when referencing episodes. The #KiligPaMore is the hashtag for the whole show, Kalyeserye, not for a particular episode. Tankytoon (talk) 04:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

AngusWOOF: As I noted below, before @ofctrendsetter, Eat Bulaga was releasing the Hashtags, but prior to July 30th, they were inconsistent (ie. generic, multiple hashtags) like here. But I think what is listed here is the consensus or majority used for that day. Lists of hashtags are hard to find unless we can contact the official Aldub Statistics page @ineffable888 and see if they have a comprehensive one. GMA news uses them. I know these lists are available somewhere as evidenced by screen grabs like this.Tankytoon (talk) 18:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I have added notes to the August and September hashtags. I'll remove the ones prior to that as those aren't clearly defined. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced ratings

The ratings for this series are unsourced. They are at risk of being cut if the sourcing issue is not remedied within a reasonable amount of time. Additionally, since Kalyeserye is a show-within-a-show, it needs to be clarified whether these ratings are for Eat Bulaga!, the parent show, or if they are specific to Kalyeserye. If they are for Eat Bulaga!, then they don't belong in the article and should be cut. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

They can be cut for now as they're coming from fans and it is not clear where the original stats are from. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Article is too long

I agree that this article should be shortened. For fans of this series, perhaps you can create a Wikia site for Kalyeserye. --Jojit (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, Jojit. As the person who flagged the content as too long, I naturally also agree. Episode summaries for list articles should be 100-200 words long per WP:TVPLOT. We're only here to present a general shape of the episode, not to replace the experience of watching the show. Content like this that is overly detailed can be considered a "derivative work", which could make it a copyright violation. So it is not a trivial matter. I have contacted one of the recent contributors to let him know about this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

How long are the segments? If they're only 3-5 minutes long then the summaries can be even shorter. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I've just sourced the bulk of the episodes to their video feeds. The first few episodes are just fragments from the show lasting just a few minutes so that's just a sentence or two. Most of the episodes run around 30 minutes, so those should fit well within 100-250 words. There are some double episodes and specials that get up to movie length (90 minutes) so those I would recommend a maximum of 400 words. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Problematic summaries

I don't mean to put Jclem028 on blast, but I think this needs community attention. While Jclem has been kind enough to start adding plot summaries, the content added doesn't actually summarize what the episode is about. For instance:

Nidora is talking with Rihanna on the Phone. Rihanna is begging to join them in the Tamang Panahon event on Saturday, to which Nidora agrees. Nidora then reprimanded Tinidora on her revealing outfit & Tidora on too much make-up. Since its their 14th weeksary, as Henyo master Joey reminded, Alden gave Yaya Dub roses and continued romancing together, to the delight of everyone. According to Nidora, there will be no more limits for the “Tamang Panahon” event, its up to the couple of what they’re going to do as long as they don’t broke her trust in them. Nidora then gave reminders to everyone that will attend the event at the Philippine Arena. Later, Nidora talks to Barbara Sastre of what gown Yaya will wear for the event. The SWAT then gave Yaya some advice on what to do on her reunion with Alden. Lola Nidora then gave Yaya an important advice; that she should be a self-conscious Filipina woman. All of a sudden, a mysterious caller, holding the secret diary that contains secrets of Nidora’s family, requested Nidora 55 million pesos and threatened her that he or she will go and ruin the event.

When writing episode plot summaries, we should be focusing on the story or stories. Stories have a beginning, middle and end. In the example above, we don't have any of that. There's far too much trivial detail here, which makes identifying the story impossible. Why do we care who's talking on the phone? "Nidora lets Rihanna attend the Tamang Panahon event on Saturday". That makes more sense, although not much more. Why do we care about revealing outfits and makeup if there's no mention of it later? This is more like what I would expect to see in a plot summary involving makeup:

"Tracy wears too much makeup. Her friends keep making fun of her about it, but that only encourages her to wear more in defiance. However, Tracy's attitude toward makeup changes after she is scooped up by a troop of clowns who put her to work in the circus. She plots an escape and gets back home. She vows to never wear makeup again."

Now that is a complete summary. (It's not a very good story, but it has a beginning, middle and an end.) The only thing in the Kalyeserye example above that sounds remotely like a story is the 14 weeksary, and the blackmail phone call. I've reduced the summary to:

Nidora lets Rihanna attend the Tamang Panahon event on Saturday. Alden gives Yaya Dub roses in celebration of their 14th weeksary (14 week "anniversary"). A mysterious caller who holds the secret diary that contains secrets of Nidora's family, demands 55 million pesos, threatening to ruin the event.

The rest of it was cut until someone can provide a complete summary. It was the best I could do because none of the facts seemed related to one another. To someone who has no idea what this series is about, it's completely unclear why Rihanna has to ask permission to attend the event. Are the other characters performers or something and she's going to perform with them? Who knows! Why does being a self-conscious Filipina matter in the story? Is Yaya having self-esteem issues? Does anyone here see the problem? Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Trivia has been cut

In these edits I removed a lot of indiscriminate trivia from the article. There's no obvious encyclopedic value to most of this and it just looks like a fan's over-indulgent cataloging of random information. MOS:TV and WikiProject Television discourages the inclusion of trivia. Further, to a casual reader who is unfamiliar with the subject (our target audience) there is no clear meaning to statements like "Maine's character Yaya Dub reveals her true voice by accident by shouting Alden's name twice in this episode". Of what value is this to someone unfamiliar with the series? What's the significance of breaking out of character voice? Where's the context? Anyhow, it's all been cut. This sort of content is best suited for a site like Wikia or a fan page, not a proper encyclopedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

In addition to the above, instances or notes such as "First appearance of another (fictional) "third party" of AlDub couple..." are cut.

First, It can be confusing to the outside reader: "first", "another", "third" all in the same sentence (see what I mean?).

Second, we all know this is a fictional story as preempted by the article's description, so no need to state the obvious.

Third, but not least, it is of no consequence whether Duhrizz, or any other character, is the 2nd or 3rd or 100th character for that matter to rival the couple, as long as the character is relevant in the series development, the inclusion of the character and his/her story is enough. A rival character could show up early but can be of no consequence. Such statements are trivia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tankytoon (talk • contribs) 23:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Verifiability

Given the peculiar nature of Kalyeserye, a live daily segment aired during the live daily TV series, Eat Bulaga!, I have a very real concern that this list of episodes will never meet WP:V, which says that all content must be verifiable. If these are live segments, I strongly doubt that they're being repeated the way a Seinfeld episode is repeated. The likelihood that the entire 135 episodes (so far) of Kalyeserye will ever see a serialized rebroadcast seems farfetched to me and for the same reason, I find it highly unlikely that DVDs will ever be released, since we're talking about mostly improvised comedic bits during another series, not an actual carefully scripted television program. How will anyone a year from now be able to double-check any of the content in the episode list? I'm very strongly considering nominating this article for deletion for these reasons, and I want to get some feedback before I proceed with that. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cyphoidbomb,

This is just my opinion, but I disagree about your reason for deletion of this article, just because it is presumed that Kalyeserye will not be re-broadcasted or be released on DVD.

Yes, granted it is a live-segment, but several live television shows, such as SNL and other talk-shows like Oprah, etc, have DVD box sets released for re-viewing purposes.

Also, Kalyeserye is not entirely unscripted; the actors on the show mostly do read off a prompter, saying lines being fed by the writers, but the actors can also improvise their lines or adlib as they see fit. They do not rehearse beforehand as most of the time they are just aware of what is going to happen in that episode on that same day of broadcast.

But the main difference of this series is that it follows a general script or story-line as given by the producers, namely by Jenny Ferre, senior vice-president for creatives and operations of TAPE, Inc.

Whereas for example, you do not need to watch previous episodes of SNL to know what is going on in the show, with Kalyeserye, it recounts the journey of Aldub, from meeting their respective families, to their on-going courtship.

Several social media pages (prominently Youtube and Facebook) including Eat Bulaga's official Facebook page already have archives of all Kalyeserye episodes.

It is only a matter of time when the DVD collection can be released.

I agree with you however with your comments on several talk pages, that the articles (including Kalyeserye and AlDub) have excess trivial information that violate Wiki's content policy and need major copy editing.

When time permits, I have tried to trim a lot of redundant and irrelevant content from this and other related articles, but it is quite exhausting.

Again this is just my opinion. Feel free to comment on my talk page.

Tankytoon (talk) 20:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Tankytoon - A reasonable response, thank you, though I don't think the comparison between Kalyeserye and SNL is a very strong one, particularly when we don't make an effort to detail sketches. I'll also point out that most of the Kalyeserye episode summaries are extraordinarily poor and don't adequately describe the "arc" of any episode's "story". This is one reason why I'm inclined to think there is no actual story, just a very rough structure held together with improvisation, "boing" sound effects and laugh track. Anyhow, I'm not in a hurry to see it deleted, but I certainly think we need to redefine the scope of this article and avoid the pointless chitchat. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb - Thank you for your response. SNL is not a strong example, when it comes to comparing story arcs. Perhaps daytime soaps are more appropriate, with the difference that Kalyeserye is aired live. Similar to the daytime soap, the narrative of Kalyeserye spans the course of several episodes, but there is a story or development after a number of series. I have to admit that the current state of the episode summaries make it hard to justify that there is(are) story arc(s). Therefore, I have tried to do major copy editing to follow within the 200-500 word guidelines. Hopefully, other editors / contributors do the same. Thanks, Tankytoon (talk) 18:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Tankytoon, as a minor point of clarification, per WP:TVPLOT the ideal plot word count for a list of episodes is 100-200. For notable individual episodes, the range would be 200-500. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The main thing is that the episode list is not necessary. Even regular skits on SNL like Weekend Update do not have episode lists. Their skit article provides highlights of notable segments, but it doesn't need a play-by-play of each individual episode. The story arc summaries can certain go in the Kalyeserye article as paragraphs. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:30, 26 January 2016 (UTC) The series has been made available on the Internet through their Facebook and YouTube so now it should be able to garner proper summaries. The hashtags have been verified for the most part, and it leaves the summaries and details such as translations of titles to be cleaned up. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup todo list

I've changed the sourcing tag to a more general cleanup list:

• Remove weekday presented (Mon, Tue etc.)  Done
• Change episode number to Day number as this series goes mainly by the day numbers.  Done
• Source each hashtag to official tweet by AlDub trendsetters group. Change header to AlDub hashtag. If sources cannot be found, or if there are too many conflicting or contentious tags, this column should be removed.  Done
• Source dates and titles of each episode. You can use the official Facebook upload. If the episode itself displays an official title then just make a note of this in the header. Done
• Condense plot per MOS. A 20-minute segment should be within the 100-250 words per episode. If segments are more like 2-5 minutes then 1-3 sentences will suffice, like with List of Ever After High webisodes.  Done
• Do something about the locations list. I suggest WP:TNT'ing this as it is crufty detail. This isn't Star Trek where they pinpoint a stardate or some series where they choose a different city of the day. Is this really that important to have its own section?  Done

Please address these issues if you really want this list to stay around. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

More todos:

• Need to find hashtags prior to September 25, 2015 as ofctrendsetters did not post them prior to then. Which group carried the official tag, or was there an official tag before then? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:23, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi AngusWOOF, prior to Ofctrendsetters helming the hashtags, The show Eat Bulaga was the one releasing the official HT's, as announced here. This can be confirmed as GMA news and Eat Bulaga also uses the HT's from its inception like on their official twitter pages, like here, or here or here. Tankytoon (talk) 18:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I've sourced the August and September ones to those sites and commented out the July ones. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)  Done

Dubsmash brand?

So Yaya Dub's gimmick is it actually an official use of the Dubsmash app or just impromptu lip synching? Do the hosts mention the brand? If it is just impromptu or partly prepared lip synching then it should not be linked to that term as with Kleenex and tissue paper. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, AngusWOOF. This is a bit tricky to explain, so I'll try my best. Maine Mendoza, the actress who plays Yaya Dub, gained online popularity using the app in real life, Dubsmash, and hence influenced the name of her character, Divina "Yaya Dub" Smash. Now, whether they use the actual app on the show is a different story, it could very well be production / technical crew just playing the songs in the background without using the app, who knows. The hosts do mention that they are "Dubsmashing" pretty much like how a lot of Filipinos mostly refer to tissue as Kleenex, even though it is made by a different brand, or toothpaste as Colgate, or photocopy as Xerox, etc. etc. That is why it is debatable whether to link Dubsmash or not to the actual app. In the show's terms, at least, Dubsmash is referred to or is synonymous to the act of lip-syncing. Tankytoon (talk) 04:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay thanks for clarifying this. Yes, it would then be okay to call it / link to Dubsmash given her use of the actual product. I just didn't want the term to be thrown into the article right away because it would be jargon to outside readers of the article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion: Hashtag column retention (reprinted for reference)

Portions of the discussion reprinted from AngusWOOF's talk page with permission.

"...And if hashtags are all fan-generated and not recognized as official, there's no point in putting it in Wikipedia. Leave that for Wikias and other fan-generated places. If the titles are fan generated, then that has to disappear as well, and replaced with just the airdate of the show as with The Today Show. Otherwise we need to remove the hashtag and the locations field. No one cares about locations. This isn't List of City Confidential episodes or List of Star Trek: The Original Series episodes where the location or stardate is part of the show. That's just fancruft, along with the 500 word episode. It would be simple if they just use GMA Network or the official website, but I don't even know what that is". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 11:51 am, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"I've posted the episodes with either Facebook or YouTube links to the official posts. I also recommended a reference format for specific episode days so filling in the character description should be easy. So now that leaves the hashtags and locations. Hashtags and locations I don't know if they are significant enough to propagate. Perhaps Tankytoon can answer to that?"" AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 6:56 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"...As for the hashtags, they are only relevant to Twitter users, but the majority of the Aldub fans on social media, are on Twitter. The hashtags are released by @ofctrendsetter after consulting with Eat Bulaga. They are mainly for trending purposes, and if ever someone wants to view discussions on Twitter regarding a particular episode, they can refer here, as I have yet to see a site or source that lists all hashtags. It is also relevant as cross-reference when articles mention twitter statistics being broken etc, as they usually refer to the hashtag like what they do here or here. Not sure if these are reasons enough to retain the HT column, as the this article that lists the hashtags is already considered for deletion." Tankytoon (talk) 7:49 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"With the hashtags setting records, example [5] they might be useful to log after all. I just need a source of the official ones and it can wait until the date GMA said "yes, go ahead and pick them" for them to be posted. If that's @ofctrendsetter and it's a public tweet (doesn't require a Twitter subscription or a follow to access), then use that."AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 8:32 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"How do I source all the hashtags? If individually, can be time-consuming as I don't have the proper tools. The source is here." Tankytoon (talk) 11:14 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"The more properly sourced and formatted the episode list is, and the less crufty it appears, the better chance it has of staying around and surviving AfD's. That the official website is archiving the individual episodes on Facebook and YouTube and that particular episodes are setting Twitter records is helping its notability." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 9:00 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"Hi, regarding the AlDub hashtags, I think it's good enough to just post aux2R= in the header for each month in which you've verified the hashtags are correct," AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 11:22 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

Reprinted by, Tankytoon (talk) 18:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion: Location column removal (reprinted for reference).

Portions of the discussion reprinted from AngusWOOF's talk page with permission.

"...I would get rid of the locations. Every show has different locations so this does not need to be noted. The episode itself can highlight any significant events and locations visited if they are critical to the plot, but saying "hey we're at Broadway Centrum again" and some random field locations to gather fans is not useful. That's as crufty as Al Roker's "city of the week", or as crufty a complete list of all of the song clips that Yaya Dub uses. If the picture of the locations visited is notable, then you can retain that." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 6:56 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"...I am not sure where we can get verifiable sources for the locations, and like you, I agree that other than the Broadway Studio or the Philippine Arena for the main event, the rest is moot. I highly doubt that there will be a guided tour in the future, "The Lolas were here."" Tankytoon (talk) 7:49 pm, 1 February 2016, last Monday (2 days ago) (UTC−5)

"Also, as an update on FYI only, the source for the location can be found on the Videos itself (same source has the official FB / YT channels). But I see that you have removed the location list and like you, I do not have a strong argument to keep that column, except that on the article is a map of all the locations - I am not sure if the list has an affect on the map details." Tankytoon (talk) 12:23 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

"I just commented out the locations, so if it is really essential that they tour and appear in a different location each episode, then it can be argued to put it back. It shouldn't affect the map as the map is likely generated by a fan offsite and not dependent on the Wikipedia article itself for its data. " AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:40 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

"...the cast members tour and appear in different locations, mainly because within this sub-segment is another portion called "Sugod Bahay" where in the middle of Kalyeserye narrative, the Lolas visit the house of a lucky viewer in that particular neighborhood and award them prizes. They are just being fair that there is not a skew of winners in one or two preferred neighborhoods. So in essence the "Juan for all, all for Juan" segment of the show Eat Bulaga, has the Kalyeserye portion and then the Sugod Bahay is held between the beginning and end of a Kalyeserye episode. Confusing, I know. Whether it is relevant to the story of Kalyeserye itself is another thing. I do not see why it would be relevant, but others may disagree, I just put it out there, just to say I have covered all possible points and not being biased - but on Wikipedia, I work as a Wikipedian and not operate as an attentive viewer." Tankytoon (talk) 2:30 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

"Thanks. It doesn't sound like it is important to the series and is detail akin to The Simpsons couch and blackboard gags which isn't listed in The Simpsons (season 1) but was detailed in the infobox of the individual episode articles. That the visit sometimes happens mid-episode doesn't make it an identifying marker either. Not like the Hashtag, Day number, or episode title. Or if it were a pro sports regular season game, it would be akin to who sang the national anthem." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 3:16 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

Reprinted by, Tankytoon (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

/* October 2015 */ Removed note re: location.

Notes regarding Alden's (or any other character's) absence is already indicated in the episode summaries. Locations are not relevant until otherwise noted. (see Discussion about location for details). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tankytoon (talk • contribs) 04:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)