Talk:List of Japanese typographic symbols/Archive 1

Archive 1

Maru and Batsu

Should we add maru (-jirushi) ○ and batsu ×? — Fg2 10:29, 16 November 2005 UTC

I would say yes, add them. Also, I've added Ⓨ and Ⓧ as often printed with dates on Japanese music releases. They're used for saihan seido, Japan's resale price maintenance system. On Discogs we just spent some time recently figuring out what they mean.[1] — mjb 01:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that we should add maru and batsu. I also think a multipurpose "circled kanji" mark (◯) should also be added. It's very common for certain kanji (such as 注, etc) to appear circled. Not all of them have an unicode code and can only be inputted through text editors. But some kanji (and other characters, notably numbers up to 20) have a unicode code (such as ①, ②, ㊥, ◯, ㊤, ㊦, ㊧, ㊨). I think we could add something about these. Gusutabo 20:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Telephone symbol

There is a symbol for telephone number commonly used in advertisement. I don't know if it is only in Japan. It has a recatangle background, with a wire with two loops on it. I googled up this image. Look in the bottom right corner. http://www.owners-age.com/event/img/seminar200307.jpg --Apoc2400 08:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we could add this symbol too. The problem is that it doesn't seem like this symbol has a unicode code of its own. I also can't answer you wheter it's a Japan-only symbols or not, but it certainly is used quite often. But it would be a nice idea anyways. Gusutabo 20:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Somewhere you have to draw a line between "typographic" symbols and "graphics with symbolic value". As that telephone symbol cannot be included in a text without adding graphics, I suggest that it should not be mentioned in this article. Mlewan 00:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Examples

Could someone who understands how these are used (rather than just what they're for) please add some more examples? --Avxxv 19:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hyphen for western names written in katakana

This character must be added:

＝ U+FF1D FULLWIDTH EQUALS SIGN

For example Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec becomes アンリ・ド・トゥールーズ＝ロートレック

--juhtolv (talk) 16:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Wiki editor looking for information about how Japanese is entered with a keyboard

Hi, there.

As someone almost completely ignorant of the Japanese language, I wanted to give some feedback on this article.

I can't figure out from this article the very basics of Japanese keyboard symbols. How do they type in words? If they can type characters from a keyboard, how do they do it? Do they use an alphabetic transliteration for keyboard input, the way the Chinese use pinyin?

If this kind of information is not appropriate for the scope of this article, I can't tell where to go to get that information.

Best regards, Rosmoran (talk) 15:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

See Japanese input methods. But you should have asked the question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. Oda Mari (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Vertical one

Should 〻 (U+303B) be added to the table? - MK (^t/_c) 03:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Reference mark redirects here

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List of Japanese typographic symbols/Archive 1

{{Infobox punctuation mark|mark=º ª}} {{Sidebar punctuation marks}} is a template. The display of the template is on the right.

The last entry is "reference mark" and it redirects here. Why? and should that be the case?--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It links directly to that symbol's section in this article, because it doesn't have an article of its own. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. — Gwalla | Talk 19:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What does the reference mark have to do with Japanese punctuation? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

ッ (katakana small tsu)

For some reason, hiragana small tsu (っ) is listed on this page but its katakana equivalent is not. As far as I know, they fulfill identical roles, so it seems that either both should be included, or neither. (It is unclear to me what exactly qualifies as a "symbol" rather than just a plain-vanilla kana or kanji for the purposes of this page.) Speight (talk) 06:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And other Asiatic languages?

For anyone with the knowledge, it seems possible to reuse most of this page for a description of typographic symbols in Chinese and Korean. Quite a few of them are similar, and often it is probably just a matter of giving the Chinese and/or Korean name. Mlewan 21:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I must concur. Many of these typographic symbols are also used in other CJKV typesets and East Asian languages. This is especially the case for the numerous bracket/quotation symbols provided in the article. Branding them as exclusively Japanese on this page may cause confusion so that some may assume that they are used for the Japanese language only. However, currently only Japanese names of the symbols are given; if we are able to find names in other languages, we may be able to transform the article into a more broader CJK-centered one, as opposed to a Japanese-centered one. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 12:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Fact checking

"（）- pāren (パーレン) - The word pāren is said to be an abbreviation of the German word for parentheses..."

Why the obscure reference to German, I have never heard any other word but "Klammer" for parenthesis in German. Why not the obvious connection to the English "parenthesis"? Added a {{fact}} for now, would be nice if somebody could clarify...

sanseido.net lists the origin as "Paranthese", which is a bit out of fashion nowadays. Though I'm not sure if mentioning that in the article would add value. QuantumSquirrel (talk) 06:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Missing meanings and usage

Article is missing explanation of what many symbols mean or are used for. -- Beland (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The "Unicode" column is completely inaccurate

A serious problem with the Unicode column is that it misleads readers. Links point to "GetUnihanData.pl" on the Unicode site. However, that Perl script is not designed to return valid data for anything that is not a Han character in the Unihan database. The links in this column are therefore all invalid, and don't work as a user would expect. Those links should all be removed. For example: http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=309D -- U+309D is not in the Unihan database, and the script returns an error. Dr-moomin (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Ⓧ and Ⓨ

I'm a little new to Wiki editing/discussion, so please forgive me if this comes off extremely noobish. This article mentions Ⓧ and Ⓨ, but I see no mention of Ⓛ, which is also commonly used with Japanese audio CDs. More to the point, however, the description for Y and X seem to be incorrect. According to what I understand from the RIAJ's RIS-204 document ( http://www.riaj.or.jp/issue/ris/pdf/ris204.pdf ), Ⓨ and Ⓛ are used to specify the sale start date for foreign and domestic releases, respectively. Ⓧ is slightly mysterious, due mostly to my poor Japanese: the document says it specifies 'No permission to lend.' I imagine this has something to do with Japanese CD rental stores, but I can't be certain. Going through my CD collection, I can't find any recent CD's that do not have the Ⓧ symbol.

Moreover, the description in this article for X is actually the symbol 再 (sai, short for the saihan seido system) in a circle, although I cannot find such a symbol anywhere in the Unicode table. Perhaps the kanji alone is worth mentioning in this article, as it is used in the way X is described as, marking the end sale date.

I understand this verges a bit out of the subject of typography, but I believe the sections on Y and X are incorrect, and L and 再 should be included as it is related to Y. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of Japanese could clarify the meaning of X from the RIS-204 document? Any discussion or input on this would be appreciated before I go noob-ishly messing up a Wiki article. WAPOMATIC (talk) 09:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out RIS 204. It explains all of the symbols in question. I've updated the article, finally, to incorporate this information.

The article says it is only listing non-kanji, non-kana symbols. Is the kanji character 再 valid for inclusion by virtue of being encircled? Hopefully it is. If not, I guess we can remove it. Or we could change the "rules"...

Incidentally, on my system (Win7 64-bit, Chrome 29), the enclosing circle won't render. I can get it to render in the omnibar, but it doesn't overlay. In the main window, it doesn't render at all. I'd be interested to know if it renders anywhere. —mjb (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Brackets and Quotation Marks for Vertical Writing

As the glyphs for Vertical Writing Iteration Marks have been listed, there really should be the Vertical Writing Brackets included as well: ﹃﹄　︻︼　︿﹀　for example. There are more, but those are common. 81.102.111.206 (talk) 20:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)