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there are a billion Muslims who in principle depend on this, and we have to rely on a source of the quality of "timeanddate.com"? Come on, I am sure this has been discussed in print before. After all, there used to be an advanced tradition of scholarship in Islam, and failing that there are academic Islamic studies. --dab (𒁳) 05:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Era

Chris troutman, there is no clause in WP:ERA which states that AD is to be preferred over CE. CE should be preferred considering the context of the article. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 15:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ERA states "Do not change the established era style in an article unless there are reasons specific to its content. Seek consensus on the talk page before making the change", hence why I reverted your edit. You've only now started the conversation. I am opposed to the use of CE/BCE in general so you'll have to raise consensus. I'd also point out that anno hegirae as a term derives from anno Domini and does not parallel an imaginary concept of a "common era" coincidentally pegged to a calendar named for Pope Gregory XIII. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article Muhammad uses CE through out, and so is the case in most of Islam. Though WP:MOSISLAM does not state any thing about AD vs CE, CE is mostly used across Islam related articles. The fact that anno hegirae derives from anno domini is not a reason to prefer it over CE. Also the meaning of anno domini clearly does not fit into the context. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 18:47, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I don't agree with your reasoning. Per WP:CONSENSUS, I don't have to argue with you ad infinituum to continue my protest. If needed, initiate a Request for Comment. WP:ERA is pretty clear that (like WP:ENGVAR) changing from the status quo is usually not needed. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:40, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on List of Islamic years and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

IMO the fact that anno hegirae derives from anno domini is irrelevant, and a personal preference for one form over another is definitely irrelevant, per WP:ERA. The fact that other articles use one form rather than another would be relevant only if a Wikiproject guideline took a position. So I don't see any grounds to prefer one form over another here, and obviously a consensus to change from the form used up to now in the article has not yet been established. By all means go for an RFC if you like, but otherwise, the current AD form should continue. BTW, AD can go before or after the number, but CE always goes after, per WP:ERA. Kind regards to both. Stfg (talk) 16:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also coming late to this discussion, I note that MOS:ERA says "An article's established era style should not be changed without reasons specific to its content; " (my emphasis). This article is about Islam: it is invidious to use the calendar notation of another religion when a religiously neutral form is available. (AH = Latin: Anno Domini (nostrum) = Year of (our) Lord). Jesus of Nazareth may be 'Lord' to Christians but not to Muslims. Use of the Christian notation in this article is indefensible.

I was unaware of this discussion when I changed "(AD 1880/1881)" to CE; I honestly assumed that it could only have been historic vandalism. If someone insists on reverting, I will accept it pending a reference to wp:WikiProject Islam per Stfg's advice. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]