Talk:List of Hitchcock cameo appearances

Merge

Well of course it should be merged! They're the same thing. Support. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 20:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

43-37=?

"Thirty-seven of director Alfred Hitchcock's forty-three major films contain a cameo appearance by Hitchcock himself." To my "Things To Do List" I have added "Determine the names of the 6 major films in which Hitchcock does not make a cameo". However, it could be decades before I get around to this, as my "To Do" list is awfully long... Hi There 08:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hitchcock made 53 major films, not 43. There's also a very lugubrious lady in "North by Northwest" (see images), which I soooo want to be Hitchcock! If anyone wants to add a link to my list of cameos, then please do. The films without known camoes are these... Davepattern 19:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Pleasure Garden (1925)
The Mountain Eagle (1926) -- it's impossible to know for sure, as this film is lost
The Ring (1927)
Downhill (1927)
Champagne (1928)
The Farmer's Wife (1928)
The Manxman (1929)
Juno and the Paycock (1930)
The Skin Game (1931)
Rich and Strange (1931)
Number Seventeen (1932) -- there's a possible unconfirmed cameo on the bus (see images)
Waltzes from Vienna (1934)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)
Secret Agent (1936)
Sabotage (1936)
Jamaica Inn (1939)

The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934) is on the list. I, too, thought that the same man in Number Seventeen might be Hitchcock, when I saw it on a low-quality tape; but after viewing it on DVD, I no longer believe that. I still think I see him in the panicky crowd near the beginning of Juno and the Paycock, but that impression also is based on a low-quality tape. Despite wishful thinking on my part, I suspect this list is complete, though perhaps not arranged in the best order. Richard K. Carson 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd not spotted the MWKTM one mentioned before -- I've added a few screen grabs to the site but, even using the best DVD transfer available, it's difficult to say for sure it's him. The face is just visible for a few frames before he turns his back to the camera. Davepattern

Secret Agent

I've removed that claim that Hitchcock makes a cameo appearance in the film ("Coming down the ship's gangway in front of Ashenden") as it clearly isn't Hitchcock. The following are screen grabs from the best DVD release available. Davepattern 16:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible that the uncredited actor coming down the gangway in front of Ashenden is Francis De Wolff (who memorably played the role of Hardcastle in "The Smallest Show on Earth"). It certainly looks a little like him and he later had a credited role in "Under Capricorn". De Wolff began his film career in 1935, so he was probably playing small bit parts around the time of "Secret Agent". Davepattern 11:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Although Davepattern posted this almost five years ago the screen shots are conclusive for me that it isn't Hitchcock. As I searched the web the only site I could find that lists this cameo is the FilmSite one that is hosted by AMC (which is already an EL in this article) and even they list it as "speculative". Other sites that don't list it include this one [1] at Hitchcock TV and ones as authoritative as Roger Ebert's [2] and Empire magazines [3]. Per WP:SPECULATION and the screen captures I do not think that this film should be in the table. At best it might be mentioned in a footnote but even that is dubious considering the evidence. MarnetteD | Talk 20:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Davepattern did a good job of demonstrating that guy is not Hitchcock, assuming those screen shots are from 8 minutes into the film. - Gothicfilm (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Lodger

I've changed the second cameo to "possible" and "unconfirmed" for "The Lodger". I've just finished watching the best available DVD (from the German "Early Years" set from Concorde) frame by frame -- there is one man who looks a little like Hitchcock but, during a brief close-up, it clearly isn't him. Davepattern (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time Resolution

It looks like people have begun refining the time resolution on some of the films by adding a seconds value. (eg, "I Confess", "The 39 Steps") If that's really what those are, the column header should read "Hrs:Min:Sec". The column sort seems to work fine with a mix of Hrs:Min and Hrs:Min:Sec values. Chris Noe (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A potential problem with documenting timestamps is that times can vary when alternate edits of a film exist. If that is the case with any of the Hitchcock films, then I recommend using the original release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisNoe (talk • contribs) 23:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A further issue is that PAL transfers of the film run quicker than the cinema version (and NTSC transfer), so that will also throw the timings out. Probably best to just list an approxy minute timing? Davepattern (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Use by other filmmakers

This cameo device has been since used by other filmmakers and TV series. I think it's worth adding a section discussing this. For example, James Cameron makes a cameo as a passenger in Titanic, and the TV series Fringe has made the "Hitchcock cameo" an actual plot point by having a character called "The Observer" appear in Hitchcock-style cameos in every episode, even before the character was officially introduced. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 16:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting by Year Breaks Table

In the article's current form, if you sort by year, the table gets messed up (at least in Safari 5.1 on Mac OS 10.7.1). For instance, the first entry in the newly sorted list says "[Title:] 1:32 [Year:] In the crowd watching an arrest." and the remaining fields are blank. This seems to be because some movies have more than one cameo and, when sorted by year, the two cameos don't get moved with the year. If someone with more knowledge on how the tables work could fix that, it would be awesome! -Thunderforge (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hitchcock cameo in Topaz

There is no source for the previous time of 33 minutes. Also, what kind of source do you want? I just watched the film, and the cameo appeared at :27. Jem54 (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources are in External links at the bottom of the page. Empire gives 00:32:27, Filmsite gives 33 minutes. (It looks like people aren't putting these links as refs in the table itself.) Your own observations unfortunately come under WP:OR, and they're contradicted by what's been accepted and backed-up on the page a long time. You probably saw an edited version of the film. - Gothicfilm (talk) 05:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with the two sources that Gothicfilm has provided. Along with the possibility that you saw an edited version we could figure out the discrepancy by knowing how you watched the film. Cable TV, VHS, DVD or some streaming on the net. Also where were you viewing it - there can be runtime oddities between region 1 and 2 due to the difference in frames-per-second broadcasting. In any event the table should remain as is based on the sources we have at this time. MarnetteD | Talk 13:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

crowd scene cameo in The Lodger

I've removed this as the new 2012 blu-ray transfer of the film clearly shows it's not Hitchcock: http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/files/captures/0810_012510.jpg Davepattern (talk) 10:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

remove Rope cameo

I've removed the "0:02 Walking along a street (holding a newspaper) after the opening credits." entry for "Rope". This has always been a contentious cameo, as there's nothing to indicate the man is Hitchcock (it certainly doesn't resemble him). However, I spotted in Thomas Leitch's reference work "The Encyclopedia of Alfred Hitchcock" (pg 47) that an extensive search of the production records at Warner Brothers had shown that the only cameo is the red neon sign. So, unless someone has evidence that trumps the film's official production records, the neon sign should be the only listed cameo for the film. Davepattern (talk) 13:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Dave's removal of this alleged cameo. In the current editing over this please note that IMDb cannot be used as a reference. It is an open wiki meaning that you, I or anyone can go there - enter info about this cameo - and within a week or so it will be added to the trivia section. They do not fact check entries and, because of that, their pages are full of inaccuracies and errors. MarnetteD | Talk 22:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Easy Virtue

Just spotted that the BFI "Film & TV Database" entry for Easy Virtue casts doubt on the cameo: "It has been suggested that Hitchcock appears in the film as the man exiting the tennis court, but on close inspection it does not appear to be him." Not too sure what to make of this, but I guess the 16mm projection print held by the BFI (along with their recent restoration of the film) will be much better quality than the fuzzy unlicensed DVD releases. Is it worth changing the entry to "unconfirmed"? Davepattern (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that you should go ahead and make the change you suggest. BFI is a perfectly reliable source. Thanks for your vigilance in taking care of this page. MarnetteD | Talk 20:51, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

List of Hitchcock cameo appearances → List of Alfred Hitchcock cameo appearances – Please put your reason for moving here. The Evil IP address (talk) 10:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Use full name. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Using the full name is preferable. The guy was not simply called "Hitchcock". JIP | Talk 14:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I would also suggest that we add the word film to the title to avoid any connection of this page to his TV show. Either List of Alfred Hitchcock cameo appearances in film or List of Alfred Hitchcock cameo film appearances. Now this is just a suggestion so if others disagree that is fine. Evil IP's requested move is the more important factor. MarnetteD | Talk 19:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. And if someone wants to add any TV cameos, they should do so here, as opposed to starting a new TV cameo page. So I would discourage adding "film" to this page's title. - Gothicfilm (talk) 00:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - because there are many Hitchcock#People. 124.85.34.99 (talk) 16:50, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.