Talk:List of governors of Montana

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Lieutenant Governor List

I have added the the list of Lt. Governors in this article to the Lieutenant Governor of Montana article, however I hestitate to delete the list from this article without seeking the opinion of my fellow Wikipedians. --TommyBoy (talk) 03:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I am proposing the merger the List of Governors of Montana and List of Governors of Montana Territory. I can see no reason not to merge these seemingly related lists, however I unfamiliar with how Montana views its statehood vs territorial history, so maybe there is a reason. Also noting this template (Template:MTGovernors) which has been created and has been placed on each Governors page. - Mitico (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I was going to get around to it whenever I got to Montana, having brought 5 other governor lists to FL status. --Golbez (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merged & redirected. Mitico (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wiley Scribner

Wiley Scribner was acting governor of Montana Territory in 1869-1870. The article needs to be corrected to insert his name, Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Row and column spans

Sorry to bother you again, but I'm stuck. See List of Governors of Montana and in the Governors section, see the last three columns of the old list. They have several row/column spans. I can't figure out how to get them to work in the new list (which I've made four entries in). Can you do a line or two so I can see how to get this to work? Hope I'm not being a bother and I really appreciate all your help. PumpkinSky talk 21:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The headers will not work with those row and colspans. You will have to find another format. While you're at it, you can't use color alone to indicate party affiliation. It's a helpful visual guide for sighted readers, but does not help sight-impaired readers at all. — KV5 • Talk • 01:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What works with rows/colspans and is sortable and meets WP:ACCESS? Is there a sample FL I can use? Don't modern FLs all have to meet ACCESS and be sortable? PumpkinSky talk 01:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're not going to be able to use row spans with row headers; I don't believe they are compatible. "Modern" FLs do have to meet ACCESS requirements and should "[include], where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities". If you would like to bend an more ACCESS-experienced ear, User:RexxS knows much more than I about the guidelines. And you are not being a bother, BTW; I never mind helping. — KV5 • Talk • 01:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll ask Rexx. Hmm, I may have to rethink how to lay out the table from what it was before. PumpkinSky talk 01:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I can help, let me know. — KV5 • Talk • 01:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@PumpkinSky: Ok - first of all the colours. I'd suggest another column for party so that blind readers can distinguish the affiliation:

Dem Democrat Rep Republican

Governors of Montana Territory
#	Governor	Party	Term start	Term end	Appointed by	Notes
1	Sidney Edgerton	Rep	June 22, 1864	July 12, 1866	Abraham Lincoln	Did not find out he had been appointed right away; left the state in September 1865 and did not return for 25 years
—	Thomas Francis Meagher (acting)	Dem	September 1865	October 3, 1866	—	Also filled in for Smith as Smith had gone back to the east coast^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

etc.

Now, the tricky part. I have to confess I don't understand the column labelled 'Term' in the Governors of Montana section. If you want to have a fully sortable table, then simply repeat the cell, rather than spanning it, so change this:

Lt. Governor	Term
Frank Henry Cooney	12
Tom Kane
Ernest T. Eaton
Elmer Holt
William P. Pilgeram

into this:

Lt. Governor	Term
Frank Henry Cooney	12
Tom Kane	12
Ernest T. Eaton	12
Elmer Holt	12
William P. Pilgeram	12

But that won't solve the real problem, which is that you're trying to associate a single Governor with up to three Lt Govs in the same row. In fact, that's really an intractable problem if you want to sort on both of them. If you're prepared to abandon sorting on Lt Governor, then using a list (preferably an unbulleted plainlist {{plainlist}}) will allow sorting on the other fields, like this:

#	Governor	Took office	Left office	Party	Lt. Governor and Term	Notes
4	Joseph K. Toole	January 7, 1901	April 1, 1908	Dem	Frank G. Higgins (Dem) – 4 Edwin L. Norris (Dem) – 5	^{[N 1]}
5	Edwin L. Norris	April 1, 1908	January 5, 1913	Dem	Benjamin F. White (Rep) – 5 William R. Allen (Rep) - 6	^{[N 2]}

^ Resigned due to declining health
^ As lieutenant governor, filled unexpired term, and was later elected in his own right.

This doesn't have the party colours for the Lt Governor, but if you felt it was desirable, you could colour the text of the parenthetical Dem/Rep that I placed after the names, like this:

Frank G. Higgins (Dem) – 4
Benjamin F. White (Rep) – 5

or maybe even colour the background if you prefer:

Frank G. Higgins (Dem) – 4
Benjamin F. White (Rep) – 5

By the way, {{party color|Democratic Party (United States)}} can be replaced by #33F and {{party color|Republican Party (United States)}} by #F33 throughout, since I rather doubt they will change their colours anytime soon.

Have a think about what you want to do and try it out. If you get stuck, just ping me, and I'll see if I can sort any specific problems for you. I'm sure KV5 will help if you ask as well. Hope that helps, --RexxS (talk) 02:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant Rex! Many thanks! I'll be working on this through the weekend. PumpkinSky talk 10:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thread to here copied from Killervogel5's talk page. PumpkinSky talk 23:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "A Memorial to Thomas Francis Meagher on the Levee at Fort Benton, Montana" (PDF). Hibernian. Retrieved August 15, 2011.
^ "Montana Vigilantes". Montana Travel. Retrieved August 15, 2011.
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[5] Resigned due to declining health

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[meagherbio-1] Wylie, Paul R. (2007). The Irish General: Thomas Francis Meagher. Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press. pp. 252–272, 303–312, 365–375. ISBN 978-0806138473.

[meagherpdf-2] "A Memorial to Thomas Francis Meagher on the Levee at Fort Benton, Montana" (PDF). Hibernian. Retrieved August 15, 2011.

[meaghermt-3] "Montana Vigilantes". Montana Travel. Retrieved August 15, 2011.

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