Talk:List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes

Translated titles for the English language release (1st Gig)

The English title translations on my DVD set don't match what is listed in the article. Is there an explanation for this? DVD titles listed below, titles that differ have been bolded. Some are IMHO superior to those currently listed (16, 17, 19, 20, 23):

1. Public Security Section 9
2. Runaway Evidence
3. A Modest Rebellion
4. The Visual Elements Will Laugh
5. The Copycats Chant
6. The Copycats Dance
7. Idolatry
8. The Privileged
9. The Man Who Dwells in the Shadows of the Net
10. A Perfect Day for a Jungle Cruise
11. In the Forest of Pupae
12. Tachikoma Runs Away, The Movie Director's Dream
13. Does Not Equal Terrorist
14. Full-Auto Capitalism
15. The Time of the Machines
16. The Heart's Blind Spot
17. The Truth Behind the Unfinished Romance
18. Assassination Duet
19. Wrapped in a Web of Deceit
20. Deleted Medicine
21. Deserted Tracks
22. Scandal
23. Beyond Good and Evil
24. Stand Alone
25. Smoke of Powder, Hail of Bullets
26. Public Security Section 9 Redux

- Eyeresist 03:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, the DVDs contain localized titles, whereas the Wiki shows the direct translation titles for the episodes and are what is displayed on the title cards in each episode.--Eldritch2k4 07:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The phrase "direct translation" is questionable, because the translator has to make choices in the process of translation. It's a question of whose translation is preferable. For "The other side of good and evil", "Beyond good and evil" is a better choice because it's very likely the writers were referring to Nietzsche's book. Also, for "Embraced by a disguised net", "Wrapped in a web of deceit" expresses the exact same concept at sentence and phrase level, but in graceful English rather than crude word-for-word replacement. Are the titles in the article taken from fansubs? - Eyeresist 01:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What I meant by "direct translation" is that they hadn't been localized. Meaning the words hadn't been changed so as to fit into an English grammatical structure. So I suppose I should have used the phrase "word-for-word translation" as opposed to direct. I apologize for any confusion. And to answer your question, no they aren't from the fansubs and kinda. The single word titles are what Manga Entertainment used in the DVD release in the US. The full titles are, I assume (since I have no access to the Japanese DVDs), the proper Japanese titles, so, I suppose, the fansubs would contain these titles.--Eldritch2k4 05:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing Episodes?

It would appear that most of the episodes have been deleted from the 2nd GiG on. I seem to remember them being there when I last checked. --Qxz86 18:48, 28 March 2006

Individual Episode Pages

Could we create a separate page for each season's episodes and a page for each episode? This would allow for better separation between seasons and allow in-depth discussion on topics for raised by individual episodes.

Not unless there is enough material to justify a new page... which at this point, there is not enough material to do. --Kunzite 21:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Episode guide simplified?

It seems that more complete spoiler-laden episode descriptions have been replaced by more simple, vague and spoiler-free descriptions of the episodes. I think for WikiPedia the more complete descriptions are preferable so that people who have problems understanding what happened in the episode can use this guide as a resource. Spoiler-free episode guides belong in a different kind of publication than Wikipedia.--Jbrianrogers 03:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming spoiler rules will rule out watering down conten to avoid spoiling people. The info should be somewhere linked from the talk page of WP:SPOILER Please revert the changes, if you'd like. --Kunzite 04:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd be willing to write a page-longish description for every episode of season 1. I agree that this wiki doesn't nearly begin to help someone digest all the information from the series. For every episode there really are tons of things small and large that are very hard to understand in one or two viewings. Dosboot 07:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Now, we must consider one thing first. Will the individual pages eventually be deemed unnecessary, and subsequently put up for deletion or a merge? CABAL 11:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Check out what they've done with the Firefly episode guide - the teaser list of episodes on one page, and then each episode gets its own page, with a synopsis and then analysis and goodies.--Jbrianrogers 03:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not necessary to have full-length descriptions of the episodes on Wikipedia. Those belong on various fansites or on Wikia. As far as I understand, under U.S. copyright law, writing a plot summary that makes it unnecessary to view the episode in order to understand it is considered a copyright violation. Check out our featured lists, List of Planetes episodes and List of Oh My Goddess episodes for instance. We should try to aim for such brevity and clarity.

Furthermore, it's unnecessary to split off separate articles for each episode, unless, per WP:EPISODE, there are enough independent secondary sources to write a sourced critical commentary. An article with nothing but a plot description will likely be deleted. --Darkbane ^talk 12:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Compilation DVD

Does anyone know if the Compilation DVD's are available in the US?--Salvax ^{T - C}--19:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Not available outside Japan/with any form of english translation, IIRC. A shame, I'd be curious to see how these relate to the series. YourMessageHere 03:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Where did 27-52 come from?

I don't understand why the episodes of SAC 2nd Gig are numbered 27 to 52. While they are not clearly numbered 1-26 onscreen, this is a seperate series, not a continuation of Stand Alone Complex, which is why it has a different name. Additionally, the DVDs, at least the editions released here in the UK, list episodes as 1-26. YourMessageHere 04:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

While it is true that 2nd Gig isn't a direct continuation of the story line of Stand Alone Complex, it still carries the S.A.C. name and is generally considered the second season. As such, it is much simpler to use a 1-52 designation, as opposed to the technical episode designations like S01E12 (Ep12) or S02E10 (Ep36). So, yeah, it's pretty much just for ease of use for the layman.--Eldritch2k4 07:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Referring to UK versions, the disc menus and the packaging carry the 1-26 numbering, but the end of show credits for the English adaptations refer to 27, ..., 52. Jez crow 01:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Laughing Man incident - separate article?

I feel like the Laughing Man incident needs a complete explanation for newbs. This isn't done yet, but I wanted to post it where I could get comments, feedback, corrections etc.

THE LAUGHING MAN

====

1) Background

In the early 21st century, the "cyberbrain" technology was developed. Cyberization is a

fictional process whereby a normal brain is physically integrated with electronic

components to produce an augmented organ referred to as a cyberbrain. Cyberbrain

implants, in conjunction with micromachines, allow the brain to initiate and maintain a

connection to computer networks or other individuals who also possess a cyberbrain.

Cyberbrain sclerosis is a fictional disease introduced in Ghost in the Shell: Stand

Alone Complex. The disease is characterized by hardening of the brain tissues

precipitated by the cyberization process. As, officially, no cure exists, cyberbrain

sclerosis is always fatal. Although the odds of symptoms manifesting are exceedingly

low, anyone that has a cyberbrain(which in the fictional world of Ghost in the Shell

are as ubiquitous as cellular phones are in reality) is potentially at risk.

In 2024, Cyberbrain Sclerosis was viewed as the "new AIDS" of the 21st century. Several

technology corporations were investigating and patenting possible cures for the disease

based around the concept of "micromachines" - nanotech protein granules which

supposedly held great promise for the future.

Hisashi Imakurusu, a former JSDF medic and a board-member for Micro-Machine Industries,

was head of the Medical Evaluation Board. While heading the board, a man named Dr.

Chitose Murai discovered a vaccine for CS. However, while the drug was effective, Murai

could not explain the mechanism by which it worked. Additionally, the head of the Ministry of Labor, Health and Welfare (a man named Yakushima) pressured Imakurusu to reject the drug, promising him riches from the corporate tills. Using Murai's inability to explain the drug's mechanism and the promise of the infant micromachine technology as a pretext, Imakurusu indulged his jealousy and greed to reject the drug, going so far as to have a custom rubber stamp engraved "Approval Denied" crafted specifically for Murai's application.

Micromachines held great promise as a highly versatile technology. The development of

micromachine technology in search of a cure for cyberbrain sclerosis eventually led to

the development of many highly important (not to mention highly profitable)

technologies- the Japanese Miracle (a micromachine that can remove radioactive fallout

from an area affected by nuclear weapons) and Interceptors (symbiotic micromachines

that turn their unwitting hosts into living surveillance devices), just to name two.

However, despite all of its other capabilities, micromachine technology was entirely

ineffective as a treatment for cyberbrain sclerosis.

3 months after the rejection of the Murai vaccine, Serano Genomics was granted approval

for it's micromachine CS treatement design. Shortly thereafter, Micro-Machine

Industries also recieved approval for a patent. These treatments, despite being

basically useless, were sold nationally to CS patients, at great profit to the

corporations behind them. In secret, the Murai Vaccine was set up as a highly-screened

clinical trial, with approval reserved for the rich, powerful, and political elite.

2) Origin of the Laughing Man

At some point in 2024, a student named Aoi discovered a piece of data in the 'Net. This

data was a report comparing the effectiveness of the Murai Vaccine with the

ineffectiveness of micromachine therapy. Aoi was somewhat a naive young man with a

Salinger fetish - specifically he despised "phonies" as did his hero, Holden Caulfield

(from Catcher in the Rye). Aoi was also a super class-A hacker. Peeking into and

playing with data came naturally to him. He decided to use his abilities to expose the

fraud being perpetrated on the Japanese people by the micro-machine industries, and set

out to kidnap Ernest Serano, the CEO of Serano Genomics, in an attempt to persuade him

to tell the truth.

Aoi took his S&W chief, a large, puffy blue hooded jacket and a hat, and set out for

Serano's home. Arriving there, he hacked the surveillance AI's and the eyes of everyone

in the building, brain-dived Serano and walked him out of the building. They spent two

days arguing and debating, at the end of which time Aoi decided to let Serano go in

exchange for a promise to tell the truth after he'd had a chance to make preparations.

However this promise was a last-ditch desperation move from Serano, who was exhausted

from being controlled for 2 days. After Aoi let him go in a crowded pavillion, Serano

turned around and told him he might not be able to keep his promise.

Enraged, Aoi pulled his gun and walked Serano over to a camera crew shooting a puff

piece live on national television. He demanded that Serano tell the truth; however

Serano demured, counting on Aoi's youth and inexperience to keep him from pulling the

trigger. Aoi hacked the camera and the eyes of everyone on the spot in seconds,

overwriting the image of his face with a custom logo of a laughing man with a quote

from Catcher in the Rye rotating around it. (The quote was "I thought what I'd do was,

I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes.")

This incident transformed Japanese society. The Laughing Man, as he came to be called,

became a memetic pop-culture icon virtually overnight. Grafiti and performance art,

copy-cat incidents and other events spawned from the kidnapping event for years.

3) Corporate Blackmail

Unknown to Serano and Aoi, the kidnapping of a major micromachine CEO had become a

national news incident during the 2 days Serano was missing. Shortly after the

kidnapping, a huge ransom demand was delivered. Somebody was using the Laughing Man

incident to extort money from Serano. Later, he speculates that this was a cabal of

comptetitor micromachine corporations, who wanted to ruin latecomer Serano in

retaliation for stealing the CS patent out from under them.

IT IS UNCLEAR TO ME AT THIS POINT WHETHER OR NOT THIS RANSOM WAS EVER PAID.

Shortly thereafter, a killer virus was introduced into Serano's manufacturing plants.

Billions of dollars' worth of micromachines were contaminated, and Serano's stock price

plummeted. In order to save his company, Serano himself began blackmailing other

micromachine corporations, also using the identity of the Laughing Man as a cover. He

extorted funds by threatening to expose the worthlessness of micromachines as a CS

treatment, and the coverup of the secret Murai Vaccine trial.

After several companies had been blackmailed, the government stepped in to keep the

industry afloat with public funds. Shortly thereafter a representative of "a certain

Assemblyman" visited Serano and told him that the virus and the blackmail could be

stopped, if Serano could make a donation to the politician's political fund. The figure

named was the exact amount of all the money Serano had blackmailed from the other

micromachine companies, and all of the public funds Serano has recieved. Ernest Serano

took this to mean that the Assemblyman in question knew everything, including his own

actions in blackmailing the other corporations, and as such he had no choice. The

assemblyman in question was then Minister of Health and Safety, Yakushima. Yakushima

used these funds and his secret Naval power-base to rise to the powerful position of

Secretary-General.

4) Deaf-Mute

Disgusted with the corruption of the Japanese government, Aoi gives up his current

approach and turns away from the world, pretending to be a deaf-mute and ignoring the

darkness. At some point in the next six years he infiltrates an MHLW institution for

children with Closed Shell Syndrome and begins to hack MHLW looking for physical proof

of the secret Murai Vaccine program.

5) Public Security's Laughing Man SIU

Public security launches an immediate investigation into the Laughing Man incident. 6 years later it is still in progress, and now Secretary-General Yakushima has had Interceptors planted in the brains of the SIU detectives, so that he may monitor their progress and ensure they do not approach the truth.

Togusa is an ex-cop working at Section 9. Although he has a low prosthesis index, he was hired to add a new dynamic to the group (specifically that of detective). Togusa's old friend Yamaguchi contacts him to ask him to look at some sensitive data relating to the LMSIU. Hours later he dies in a car accident, the Interceptors in his brain having been triggered to blind him while driving. His superiors had realized that he was suspicious, and the higher-ups ordered his death.

Togusa convinces Aramaki, the Section 9 chief, to give him 3 days to investigate the suspicious death. When he attends Yamaguchi's funeral, his widow gives him a packet which Yamaguchi had mailed her (with instructions) shortly before his death. The package contains images of SIU detectives, their families and friends, in everyday situations. However, in none of the pictures is a camera present. Togusa realizes the SIU detectives have been implanted with the 3-month old Interceptor technology. Digging deeper, he finds that the appropriate paperwork was never filed, and the detectives were implanted without their knowlege or permission.

Motoko leaks the information about the illegal implants to the press, who trick a police chief (Nibu) into snatching a camera while a second photographer snapped a picture of him doing so. Details of the situation and speculation about how high the conspiracy goes are splashed across the next mornings papers. Secretary-General Daido, head of the metropolitan police, calls a press conference to announce that Nibu has been fired. At the press conference, the same reporter points out that Daido is about to retire to Holland, where Serano Genomics (who created and must have provided the Interceptor technology) is headquartered. Daido refuses to discuss the implications, at which point another member of the police cadre is hacked by Aoi. The hacked individual stands and is masked by the Laughing Man logo, and then begins to chastise Daido for the farce he is playing out for the media. Aoi knows that Daido ordered the implants on Secretary-General Yakushima's orders, and is throwing Nibu to the wolve to try to continue the coverup of Yakushima's rise to power. He demands that Daido tell the truth within 3 days, or he will execute him.

6) Death Threat & Copycats

The sudden reappearance of the Laughing Man after 6 years of silence causes heated debate to errupt throughout Japanese society. Almost 60 people independently decide to "become" the laughing man and attempt to assasinate Superintendent-General Daido.

7) MLHW Hack

Aoi hacks a janitor to steal the Murai Vaccine Recipient List.

8) Imakurusu

Imakurusu aquires the Murai Vaccine Recipient List from the Laughing Man. He sends a copy to the Sunflower Society and promises to testify about the truth. MLHW Chief Niimi discovers this and orders the execution of the Sunflower Society via the DEA's Narcotics Squad, a violent organization specializing in death. Togusa happens to be there investigating a lead and gets shot in the crossfire, although he survives. Section 9 mobilizes to discover what happened. Imakurusu calls Yakushima and begs him to intercede with Niimi (Imakurusu and Yakushima are golfing buddies). Yakushima betrays his friend and orders Niimi to execute Yakushima immediately. Section 9, the Narc Squad (with powered armor) and Aoi converge on Imakurusu. Section 9 secures him, but he leaves custody to speak to Aoi, and is then shot in a drive-by. Aoi gives the Murai Vaccine Recipient List to Batou, then hacks his eyes and ears and walks away.

9) Motoko's New Body

Motoko goes to get a new body, where she is ambushed by the doctor (who happens to be part of the Narc Squad.) As she is about to die, Aoi shows up. He brain-dives her to show her the whole truth behind the Laughing Man incident, then disappears, leaving the new Motoko to carry on his quest. Along the way he helps her take control of her new prosthesis to smack down the bitch doctor.

10) Pushing Serano

Motoko poses as the Laughing Man and rekidnaps Serano, hoping to light a fire under him and extract information. Later, Aramaki confronts the prime minister with evidence about Yakushima. The PM decides to destroy Section 9 in order to keep Yaku's support during the next election cycle, after which he will arrest him. Aramaki is furious, but goes along for now. He gets word to Motoko, and arranges for Togusa to be taken into custody (making him difficult to summarily execute).

11) Narcs vs Section 9

12) Mop-up

Having saved Section 9 and exposed the truth about the Murai Vaccine and Secretary-General Yakushima, Aramaki and Motoko approach Aoi to offer him a job. He politely declines, and takes a job at the National Library, where he spends his time reading print media.

Very good and detailed explanation, thank you! A few minor corrections:

• Daido was first ranked "Secretary-General"; he really is Superintendent-General;
• Yakushima orders Niimi to execute Imakurusu, not Yakushima.

phd (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Episodes 22-23

I noticed a major flaw in episodes 22-23, it stated that the laughing man had re-abducted Serano, but in reality it was The Major in disguise as the Laughing Man, using the Laughing Man's memories, to discover the connection with the secretary general Yakushima and Serano.

While this is true, I prefer the prior version since it avoids being a direct spoiler, and it reflects the impression that the episode viewer is under. Myasuda 15:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I didn't notice, but your right.

References for Episode 18 as an homage to Wim Wenders & Der Himmel über Berlin

It is obvious if you watch both ( same intro , same plan with the statue, ...)

• French DVD5 Bonus : they explain how and why they travel to taiwan for ep 17 and Berlin ep 18 + interview

» Bonus 2 interviews croisées entre le réalisateur et les doubleurs / bande-annonce exclusive pour l'épisode TRANS PARENT / Anecdotes à propos des épisodes /

• The french distributor made a reference on his website [1] ( you could watch the trailer and compare with movie' intro btw )

L’équipe de production a décidé de se faire plaisir en déplaçant l’histoire dans deux pays différents, deux épisodes de suite (les deux premiers). Avec cet épisode, on commence avec Taiwan que les membres de Production I.G ont voulu dépeindre avec images et clichés sortis tout droit de films d’arts martiaux asiatiques. Tandis que le deuxième épisode se déroule à Berlin. C'est un hommage au film de Wim Wenders LES AILES DU DESIR ( french title of Wenders's Movie Wings of Desire aka Der Himmel über Berlin )

• The german title of the episode is Himmel über Berlin see [2]

If it is not enough ask Production I.G it was on their ( dead ) website too ! --Neuromancien 00:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I know that we now have references for the list, but we need to find references for all the little things not included in the episodes themselves. Its frustrating to have tags like this on otherwise cited articles, but they are there for a reason, and we should endeour to meet the higher standards imposed upon the article rather than play catchup later. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree--Neuromancien 09:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

2nd Gig Episode 9 reference

I believe the ending scene of 2nd Gig Episode 9 (the suicide bomber girl and Togusa's hesitant reaction) to be a reference to the opening scene of Jin-Roh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.169.94.247 (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirecting episode articles

Given that everything in the episode articles are the same as in the plot summaries on the list or is oriignal research, I propose to have the episode articles redirected to the list. --Farix (Talk) 00:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The episode articles do contain a representative image that the main article does not. I would counter-propose that the episode articles remain as they are, but the summaries in the main article be removed. The main article could just retain a list of articles wikilinked to the episode articles. That would make navigation through the main article easier and avoid the redundant content. — Myasuda (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That would actually gut the list article and preclude it from ever reaching featured list status. But can the notability of the individual episodes be established through reliable third-party sources? I can't presumed that they can. And if the individual episode notability can't be established, then they need to be merged into the list where they can be covered by the collective notability of the entire series. --Farix (Talk) 14:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. None of the episodes have individual notability, so they should all be redirected. Individual articles of episode summaries really don't need anything and just makes it harder for anyone to follow the story arcs as a whole. AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to simply delete the redundant and non-notable episode articles rather than redirect? What articles currently link to the episode articles? — Myasuda (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The general preference is to redirect rather than merge, if anything may be linking to it and it helps someone who may search for an episode by name. Also, per GFDL, if any content from the episode page has been merged into the list, the original needs to be kept as well.

If the merge has consensus, whoever does the redirect, please make sure to add {{ER to list entry}} after the redirect tag per discussions in WP:EPISODE :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture References

Episode 4 "C: The Visual Device will Laugh – INTERCEPTER" Togusa browses through photographs and the way he scrolls through them and zooms on parts of the photographs is a direct homage to Deckard in Blade Runner. 71.85.150.20 (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

References for Episode 3 (Android and I) as an homage to Jean-Luc Godard & Breathless

I added the following passage, but it got reverted as original research:

"This (3rd) episode heavily references Jean-Luc Godard's movie titled À bout de souffle - Jeris modelled after Jean Seberg, ending dialogue, cars, movie tapes in the room of the embassador's son, etc"

But I think it is near obvius if you watch carefully this episode and watch out this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053472/

• compare the pictures of Jean Seberg and the Jeris(/Jerrys)
• there's a scene where Batou (and Togusa) arrives to the embassador's son's room, and looks at some (35mm) tapes labeled "A bout de souffle" (= Breathless in french) and "Alphaville"
• there's a dialogue when they catch the Jeri and its owner. This dialogue is a rewrite of the movie's closing sentences (with one bonus sentence, probably "said" by Motoko)
• importance of the themes of cars, sunglasses, etc.
• the closing scene where Togusa arrives home, his wife says something like: "20th century videos are the best." And watches the last scene of Breathless. (Togusa says: "This was the origin.")

And I found these links (stating this connection): [3] [4]

If you consider these sources and evidences sufficient, please mention this movie-connection in the article and/or cite the sources.

Rubasov (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Source #3 is not reliable, but source #4 is if you want to add this to the article. Make sure you do so using ref tabs (ask me if you need help with this). TomStar81 (Talk) 08:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

New airdates added?

Shiroutoushirou added in new airdates to the episode list. Does anyone know if these airdates are a rerun, either on a Japanese television network or on the US Adult Swim program? If so, I don't think they should be included in the episode list; only the original airdates should be included. I'm going to go ahead and remove these... if there is a good reason for their inclusion, please state your case here. -BloodDoll (talk) 23:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Only the original Japanese airdates and English airdates should be included in the table. the OriginalAirDate field is for the Japanese airdate while the FirstEngAirDate is for the English airdate. Rerun dates aren't included. Unfortunately, the list is missing the English airdates. --Farix (Talk) 00:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Shiroutoushirou's airdates were for late 2008 and early 2009, which don't jive with the airdates given for North America (Nov 7 2004 to May 5 2005 on Adult Swim; Sept 10 2005 to March 18 2006 for Canada). I'll try to hunt down individual episode airdates for North America. -BloodDoll (talk) 00:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I found airdates for the US Adult Swim showing, but I'm not sure if they're accurate or not: http://sharetv.org/shows/ghost_in_the_shell_stand_alone_complex/guide Seems to be every week (7 days in between) and the start and end dates accord with Anime News Network's airdates. I'm going to put them in, as I am unable to find any other sources (checked Adult Swim, but they don't have a record of the individual airings.) -BloodDoll (talk) 01:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Episode "Portraitz" and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest

Does anyone suppose it's worth mentioning the striking similarities in appearance in this episode between the hospital's administrator and the character Nurse Ratched, as played by Louise Fletcher in the film One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robdumas (talk • contribs) 02:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it would be original research unless you can find it referenced by a reliable source. --Farix (Talk) 12:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

OVA and the first movie

I just deleted a line about the OVA tieing into the first movie. Just to clarify this, I'll expand on it here. As noted elsewhere, the TV series and the two films are separate entities and hence are not related story-wise, therefore they can't tie into each other, being entirely separate continuities or 'universes'. I think the claim that I deleted comes from a line in the cited article as follows:

"With some judicious editing, cutting, and a few newly animated scenes, The Laughing Man successfully bridges the gap between TV series and feature film, and reminds us why Ghost in the Shell is still some of the best sci-fi that anime has to offer."

It appears that the phrase 'bridges the gap' has been misinterpreted to mean that it fills in the actual story, whereas what the article is actually talking about is the difference in form between a TV series and a movie.92.24.67.137 (talk) 17:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

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