Talk:List of European ultra-prominent peaks

The Canaries

The Canaries are hardly in Europe? they are consideaably closer to the african mainland. I'd say they are part of Africa. same a Ceutia, Mellila and Parsley island are bits of Spain in Africa, or Guyane is a part of France in South America.83.71.243.122 (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I might agree, especially since we now have a top-ten list for Europe. We might mention that the Canaries and Madeira are connected to Africa and remove Teide from top-ten.--BIL (talk) 17:58, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

The largest mountain in Greece is Mount Olympus is not going. 79.146.196.201 11:47, 7 February 2010

Teide is a volcano, part of the African tectonic plate, that’s for sure. It’s like including in this list the French peak of Piton des Neiges (Snow Peak) - a 3,069 m (10,069 ft) shield volcano on the French island of Réunion in the Indian Ocean. The real European top 10 list includes mountain peaks with topographic prominence of 2400 meters or more. Mount Olympus has 2355 meters of prominence, with 1 meter less than Gerlachovský štít.(MiltenR (talk) 21:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC))

Gerlachovský štít and Moravian Gate

transferred from my talk page.--77.7.92.9 (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Regarding your edit and my revert at List of European ultra prominent peaks: I would like to clarify my position. First of all, thank you for the information and for bringing the matter to attention. Secondly, if you do not happen to have a source for the 2344m prominence, I would consider putting back your changes if you have a reliable source stating Moravian Gate is in fact 310 m and is also the "key col" or "saddle" for Gerlachovský štít, then the original research argument would be countered by the fact it is just simple arithmetic to derive the prominence. Lastly, if you do not have any sources supporting your changes, I am afraid we must stay with the 2355m prominence and 300m key col figures. We do have, afterall, several sources that support those values. Two are cited at the Gerlachovský štít page. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 00:49, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your message. For the Gerlachovský štít, there are only two possibilities for prominence masters: 1. the Musala and 2. the next prominence master in the Alps. The Musala is "separated" from the Gerlachovský štít by the Danube which is not a col but a river. To reach the Musala from the Gerlachovský štít via a key col, you have to follow the European Watershed around the drainage basin of the Danube. This makes the next prominent peak being located in the Alps the PM and the Moravian Gate the key col (source, except that the Großglockner is nearer than the Montblanc and the elevation of the M.G. is 310m, not 300m or 296m - source 1: "the lowest parts of the divide between Hranice and Bělotín", i.e. the M.G., source 2, ). The sources you "cite" don't name a specific col, it only can be assumed the they mean the M.G. and in addition to that, these sources are not reliable because they both state e.g. that the key col between Birkkarspitze and Zugspitze is 1182 m when in fact the elevation of the Seefelder Sattel officially is 1185 m. Therefore, I refer to the more reliable sources and edit.--77.7.92.9 (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I have checked the sources and found that the 310m key col height is too high and that the sources are correct. Infact, I was probably the primary source. It would appear that the Moravian Gate area does include the key col, but the lowest point along the watershed is 301 metres according to Russian topographic mapping, and 298 metres according to SRTM, both of which are likely to be very accurate. The location is at 49:33:20 17:54:00, between the villages of Vysoka and Palachov. This is a topographic prominence article, we should go by its TP sources. Viewfinder (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Another relevant point: 77.7.92.9 made an edit, it was reverted by another editor, then the original edit was reinstated by the original editor. The reinstatement by the original editor was contrary to Wikipedia etiquette, see WP:BRD. Viewfinder (talk) 16:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Parents

Do you think that adding a column in the charts for the parent peaks would be a good idea?--Bobbylon (talk) 02:48, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, if reliables sources are cited.--Pampuco (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Mount Elbrus and the Caucasus mountains

The Caucasus mountains forms the limits between the European subcontinent and Asia. Mount Elbrus is a stratovolcano, forming part of the Caucasus Mountains, and it is entirely laying in Europe and Russia, just north of the main ridge of the Caucasus Mountains, forming the limits of Europe, and also the border between Russia and Georgia. (MiltenR (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC))

Mount Bazardüzü in Caucasus has a prominence of 2454 meters, but it is located on the limit between Europe and Asia, on the border between Russia and Azerbaijan, so it can not be considered a strictly European Mountain and peak. MiltenR (talk) 22:59, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Height and prominence of Mount Olimpus

This is one of the few mountain peaks with “variable” height in a range between 2,917 and 2,919 meters. According to NASA, Encyclopedia Britannica and www.discovergreece.com, the height is 2,917 meters. The col is undoubtedly 564 meters. So, the topographic prominence should be 2,353 meters. (MiltenR (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC))

Prominence of Pangaion Hills

In our article I see a prominence of 1281 m, which would remove it from the list of the ultra-prominent peaks. Is it wrong?--Pampuco (talk) 18:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

This page gives http://peaklist.org/WWlists/ultras/EuroCoreP1500m.html as its primary source for the heights of the cols/saddles for these peaks; that has the 183m, giving the prominence of 1773m. It doesn't give coordinates for the saddle, but looking at Google Maps, I'd suggest it's the ridge a few km to the west of Kavala (https://www.google.com/maps/place//@40.9102794,24.3359571,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0!5m1!1e4?hl=en) and 25km east of the Pangaion Hills, which is shown between 180m and 200m. So I think this article is right, and the Pangaion Hills one wrong (Ill see if I can work out where that got its figure). Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 11:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and good we, --Pampuco (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

It turns out the Pangaion Hills article never specified 1281m itself, but the Infobox:Mountain template picks up information from Wikidata if it's not specified in the Wikipedia article itself. Someone put the 1281m figure on Wikidata using, as their source, the Spanish Wikipedia page for the hills - which had said that, without a source, since 2009. I've explicitly put 183m, with the peaklist.org source, on both the Wikipedia and Wikidata pages for Pangaion Hills. Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 15:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Peloponnese - part of Balkan Peninsula or not?

The article has a Balkan Peninsula section, which lists Mount Taygetus, which is in the Peloponnese. It also has a "Greek islands, Peloponnese and Cyprus" section, which lists Taygetus again (without the 'Mount'), and also Mount Kyllini. I know an argument can be made either for or against counting the Peloponnese as part of the Balkan peninsula, but we should at least be consistent in the same article, and if Taygetus appears twice, then so should Kyllini. My preference is for them only to appear once, in the "Greek Islands, Peloponnese and Cyprus" section - the 'Geography of Greece' article calls it a peninsula projecting from the Balkan peninsula. Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 11:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Roman-Kosh

Someone anonymous keep changing the flag/country to Russia. In order to avoid an edit war between Russian and Ukrainian POV-pushers I think it should read: De jure Ukraine, de facto Russia

Please discus here before reverting it (again).Nico (talk) 07:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

This is a reply to the following "Hello, dear Niko. It is not a matter of war but we have to accept and respect the choice of people of Crimea to be part of Russia. We have to stop tolerating the propaganda of our governments." which seems to have been sent to Nico yet has no reply link.

No, we do not have to respect the choice of the people of Crimea while the Russian army is occupying it. In order for any plebiscite to be valid the Russian army would have to totally withdraw from Crimea first, and sufficient peace keepers enter to make people feel that they had an honest choice without repercussions. No vote taken while a force like the Russian army is occupying a contested area can possibly be valid. Slipandslide (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, dear Niko. It is not a matter of war but we have to accept and respect the choice of people of Crimea to be part of Russia. We have to stop tolerating the propaganda of our governments.

You miss mount Triglav in Slovenia.

Why, in this paper the mount Triglav in Slovenia is not even mentioned. 46.123.236.82 (talk) 16:41, 31 December 2021 (UTC)