Talk:List of Dune planets

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I've removed the Kaitain links from this list, as all noted articles now link to the main article, Kaitain (Dune). TAnthony 15:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tupile

Tupile is not a planet but a category of planets which are hidden, for a price, by the Spacing Guild providing a haven. Heptapod 07:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. What are you basing this on? All of the references in the Herbert books (all in Dune or Dune Messiah) can be read as consistent with only one planet. SandChigger 09:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure I read in Chapterhousse Dune that Chapterhouse was Tupile...or was it another planet? I remember it being revealed at least! -- maxrspct ping me 22:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It helps to cite, of course. Can you fill in more on what you remember from that passage in Chapter House? (Sorry, I'm drawing a blank at the moment.)

The name "Tupile" occurs as I noted above, only in Dune and Dune Messiah. From the Terminology of the Imperium at the end of Dune (emph. added):

TUPILE: so-called "sanctuary planet" (probably several planets) for defeated Houses of the Imperium. Location(s) known only to the Guild and maintained inviolate under the Guild Peace.

--SandChigger 22:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will have a good trawl through CH dune tommorow. -- maxrspct ping me 00:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

III Delta Pavonis and Ishia?

Um...isn't this just another way of referring to Caladan?

Ishia is mentioned only in The Dune Encyclopedia; should it be included here?

SandChigger 14:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be right about III Delta Pavonis, looking at the Dune appendix. And a search of text files for the novels (I have all except the last 2 Legends books) came up negative for Ishia; if it's only referenced in the Encyclopedia, then it should go. TAnthony 01:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Planetary location revert (below) has been sorted out for the time being, so I've removed Ishia and III Delta Pavonis. TAnthony 05:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revert/Planetary locations

I just reverted the recently-added "light year distance from Earth" of many of the Dune planets. I feel a tad guilty because someone obviously put a lot of work into it, but I doubt the accuracy. What is the source? First of all, the "translations" of star and planet names smacks of original research (Shaowei = Leo, etc). Secondly, I can't imagine any canon Dune source references distances from Earth, as Earth is a relatively unimportant planet in the Dune universe. TAnthony

I put "my light year distance from Earth" back ! The Stars and Planets of Frank Herbert's Dune . My source is :

"The Stars and Planets of Frank Herbert's Dune" A Gazetteer by Joseph M. Daniel. which is translated into French here : [1] Actually this is my very first small contribution to Wikipedia so i don't know what is the methodology for editing. I think distance from Earth are important because you can understand this way the "small" size of the dune universe in the galaxy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.69.111.244 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 7 December 2006

There is much controversy over what is considered Dune canon and how it is included in Wikipedia; for example, information from the Dune Encyclopedia is always referenced as such or listed in that article. Your source assumes that when Frank Herbert used the names of actual star systems, he was referring to those real-life systems. You and I both know he probably was, but we can't make that assumption. So I suggest a separate section at the end of the article that references your source and lists the planets and their LY distances, etc. Otherwise you have to footnote each reference, which would make an ugly References section at the bottom. TAnthony 02:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I took my own advice and did a quick edit. Thanks for the contribution and I hope I didn't scare you off! Don't be surprised if other users edit it somewhat. Oh, and you may want to check it for accuracy against your source. By the way, where did you actually find it? Nothing pops up on Google (in English, anyway!) TAnthony 05:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that it is only in french on the web. Thanks to complete my little search. So my first contribution is clear and well edited with your help. It 's nice to see how people work together to build wikipedia. Perhaps I am going to translate a little of your work in french now for a second contribution. bye. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.69.111.244 (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The original english version of the Gazetteer can be found on the alt.fan.dune newsgroup : [2]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.251.51.45 (talk) 11:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

RIDICULOUS AFD TAGGING

This and MANY other articles have been tagged by User:Yrgh latly with nebulous reasoning. He says these pages fit into the deltion policy but he doesn't say how; he cites articles as unreliable and unsourced and yet they clearly are. It is ludicrous that discussions need to be held on dozens of pages to indulge his insane tagging. Can any idiot just tag AfDs? TAnthony 01:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ecaz

The Holijance Vohnbrook reference comes from the entry for krimskell fiber/rope in the Terminology. I just added mention of the hufuf vine and krimskell; the rest isn't really relevant, IMO, without a citation. (Was Vance the husband of the woman whose name supposedly became "Norma Cenva"?) --SandChigger 23:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some other planets...

Naraj - (like Tupile, possibly more than one planet, because also referred to as "the Naraj worlds") scene of battle where Farok's son lost his eyes in the Fremen Jihad. (Ref: DM).
Muritan - also mentioned in DM, by a woman supplicant whose son had been killed there and who came to seek some word of him from Alia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SandChigger (talk • contribs) 06:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Earth - Earth should also get a mention, it's destruction is described in Legends of Dune. 220.237.117.136 (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, let's not and say we didn't, how about? --SandChigger (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Earth is also mentioned as being Gansireed in GEoD: "London, Earth; long gone and forgotten which is now the name of a small village on Gansireed" Most readers have learned to conclude that London is now a village on Gansireed, which is the present name of Earth. So it IS mentioned with reference to the time of Leto toward the end of his extremely long life and reign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.162.1.41 (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The GEoD quote is noted in the footnote; you are misquoting and misinterpreting it.— TAnthony^Talk 05:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well let's quote it here, too, just to drive the point home:

It gave him a sense of timeless buoyancy to know that few in his universe would recall Chaucer or know any London except the village on Gansireed.

I know that some self-styled readers today conclude that Gansireed is Earth, because I've seen this silliness quite a few times now, but that's not what the text says. --SandChigger (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That quote obviously means that the planet Gansireed has a village called London, and that this is the only London anyone would know in Leto's time, no one remembers the original London that was on Earth... sheesh, there's also a London in Ontario Canada, so I guess Ontario is secretly England??? ATOE (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Earth, in God Emperor contained in one of the little quotes that opens each chapter is a bit about Leto II's other memory where he remembers awakening in a yurt and looking out on the steppe on some long destroyed planet. That certainly could (and likely is) an allusion to Earth and its fate.--172.190.16.197 (talk) 07:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Canon/Non-canon mixing

The latest edits to the Rossak entry emphasize one of the problems with this page: there's no indication of what is by Frank Herbert (canon) and what is by others (non-canon fanfic like The Dune Encyclopedia or those other books).

The "Sorceresses of Rossak" and Norma Cenva as some "Oracle of Time" (or was it "Infinity"?) are later additions and should be indicated as such. --SandChigger (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yeah, I had added the sources that are here, but never finished the job like I did at List of Dune terminology ... on my list ;) — TAnthony^Talk 15:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm getting into it ... for sanity's sake, I'm not necessarily mentioning the book (Frank originals vs. Brian/Kevin prequels/sequels) in the actual text for sections/paragraphs that are referenced and all from one or the other. Like, Buzzell is 100% sourced to Chapterhouse and Parmentier is 100% sourced to the Legends series (though I may specify in some cases anyway). But in the case of Rossak, where there is info from both, I'm spelling it out. — TAnthony^Talk 21:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeez, I didn't mean someone had to jump right on it right this minute! You need to slow down...gonna give yourself an ulcer or worse! --SandChigger (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(I'm compelled to note that Sandchigger's edit summary for the above comment was "You're amazing.... (You're a machine, aren't you? :D") ... LOL — TAnthony^Talk 09:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does. Not. Compute.

OK, don't tell anyone, but sometimes I find tasks like this relaxing ... yes, I'm insane ;) — TAnthony^Talk 17:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm done with my initial pass; when actually researching items in the texts, it was very interesting to discover what detail is actually noted in the original series and which has been extrapolated, or co-opted from the prequels. For example, I could find no explicit mention in Frank's work that Salusa had been decimated by atomics, only that the Royal Court had been moved (Hawat says "We do not really know of Salusa Secundus today ... Only what it was like long ago ..." but that really proves nothing). It's also interesting to note that Herbert never specifies Lankiveil as the source of whale fur.— TAnthony^Talk 07:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Otsukare-sama! Go have a beer or something now! ;) Yeah, was Salusa bombed in FH's REAL Duniverse or only in the New McDuniverse? Whale fur...that's one that always amused me. (Ever seen a furry whale?) Comes in blue and gray, evidently. Would KILL for a house robe in it, you know? The only planet mentioned as a source in the originals is Caladan: "antique whale fur from Caladan" (GEoD). It could even be argued that Lankiveil is not a planet, but a district. ;) --SandChigger (talk) 01:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One for the Ipyr?

Forgot something in the list of weapons used on the planet:

As yet unsold copies of Hunters and Sandworms were dropped on many cities before the employ of more conventional bombs. --SandChigger (talk) 10:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hahahahahahahaha — TAnthony^Talk 19:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Planets around Arrakis

Moved from Talk:Dune § Planets around Arrakis

– The original location related to the geological/geographic term in the non-fictional world.
SBaker43 (talk) 05:39, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are the other planets before and after Arrakis??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.11.74.80 (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]