Talk:List of Dia Art Foundation locations and sites

A fact from List of Dia Art Foundation locations and sites appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 July 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that one of the 11 museums and art installations maintained by the Dia Art Foundation is a room in New York City filled with 250 cubic yards (190 m³) of soil?

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~~... that the Dia Art Foundation maintains 11 locations and sites in areas ranging from Times Square to the Great Salt Lake to Kassel, Germany?~~ Times Square by Max Neuhaus, Spiral Jetty by Robert Smithson, and The Vertical Earth Kilometer by Walter De Maria.[1]

Reviewed: City of Seattle (steamship)

Moved to mainspace by Found5dollar (talk). Self-nominated at 19:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I did some copyediting to clean up the grammar, but I can't understand this dangling clause in the lead: and four sites that are no longer categorized as such. A verb is missing here. I added a citation needed tag to one paragraph per Rule D2.
The hook is rather obscure for someone who doesn't know what the Dia Art Foundation is. Perhaps focus on one interesting fact or one interesting location in the collection to catch the reader's eye.
Images are freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yoninah, thank you for the review. I added two cites to fix the citation needed tag and cleaned up that sentence (I have no idea what I was trying to do there). With the hook I was trying to explain that the works Dia takes care of are far away from each other and incredibly varied. Maybe something more like this gets that across better:

ALT 1~~... that while the Dia Art Foundation runs three museums in New York they also maintain eight artworks in the American Southwest, New York City, and Kassel, Germany?~~

or something like this to just focus on one work:

ALT 2~~... that one of the 11 locations and sites the Dia Art Foundation maintains is a room filled with 250 cubic yards (190 m³) of soil in New York City?~~

Found5dollar (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Found5dollar: sorry this slipped off my watchlist. You seem to think that how many locations a foundation has is a hooky fact. It really isn't. You have plenty of descriptive information in the article to give an example of one of Dia Foundation's locations to attract readers to click on the whole article. Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hold on, I just noticed ALT2. If you don't have any more ideas, I'll review that. I don't think you need to say locations and sites in the piped link, though; readers will not be sensitive to the distinction until they read the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's do it this way. "Locations and sites" is too general. These are art installations:
ALT2a: ~~... that one of the eleven installations maintained by the Dia Art Foundation is a room filled with 250 cubic yards (190 m³) of soil in New York City?~~
ALT2a hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT2a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah, I am concerned about the change from "locations and sites" to "installations" as 3 of the 11 are museums not art installations. These 3 museums contain multiple installations. "Locations and sites" is the way Dia breaks down their spaces, calling Dia Beacon an installation is just not what it is considered in all the reliable sources. It is a "location" or "museum" according to the cites. If "locations and sites" is to esoteric I would suggest "museums and art installations." Also, can someone approve an alt they wrote, like you did with ALT2a? Ive never seen that done here before. Found5dollar (talk) 17:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Let's do museums and art installations. It is simply too vague to call them locations and sites. And I didn't write the hook, you did (see ALT2). A reviewer is allowed to tweak the hook. If the reviewer adds new information to the hook, then it has to be approved by yet another reviewer. Here is the approved hook:
ALT2b: ... that one of the 11 museums and art installations maintained by the Dia Art Foundation is a room filled with 250 cubic yards (190 m³) of soil in New York City?
ALT2b good to go. Yoninah (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah, Thank you! And thank you for the rule clarification. Found5dollar (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unlinking the link to New York Earth Room because we want readers to click on the main article, not just the room. Yoninah (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]