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There are some visits to Commonwealth countries that also appear under State visits but not all. What is the criteria here? Do the state visits include the commonwealth visits too? If so, then it is incomplete. --Natsubee

It depends whether she is head of state for that country, she can only go on a state visit to another country if she is not that country's head of state, for countries where she is head of state they are called Royal Visits. There are countries in the Commonwealth where she is not head of state, therefore there will be some countries correctly on both lists. BigTurnip (talk) 17:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

refueling

seriously, why do we need these listed? The Queen refueling in Singapore every time she goes to Australia seems totally non-notable, unless she's actually doing some visiting while she waits. Also, I'm confused by the gaps on the list... how can she be in, say, Fiji from 4-5 March 1970 and then in Tonga on 7 March? What happened on 6 March? In 1972, we have her in Malaysia from 22-26 February and then again on the 28th... what happened? Are we meant to infer she went home for a day? -- MichiganCharms (talk) 05:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess she was at sea aboard HMY Britannia but I also do not know and would be interested to know if my guess is correct. Boleslaw (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article scope

This article purports to be a list of "Commonwealth visits made by Queen Elizabeth II", yet it includes visits made by Queen Elizabeth II to countries that are her own realms, but excluding the United Kingdom, and to British Overseas Territories, which are part of the United Kingdom. The rationale for what's included, what's not, and why isn't clear. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 19:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With the exception of the 1961 Cyprus refuelling, it's simply a copy of the official site. DrKay (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really explain anything. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's the reason, apart from Cyprus, that the items are listed. They were simply copied from the source. DrKay (talk) 20:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have to copy and paste from sources; in fact, it's discouraged. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She was likely visiting as the British monarch. GoodDay (talk) 07:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if noone can explain why this list is inconsistent, I'll do my best to re-establish consistency. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have explained. DrKay (talk) 17:59, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no you did not. You explained where the inconsistency was copied from, not why we're duplicating it here. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it obvious that it lists her overseas trips within the Commonwealth. DrKay (talk) 18:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are two discussions in this thread.

1 - Is the subject of the page limited to Royal Tours of Commonwealth Nations which covers these points:

(a)Should the page include visits to non-commonwealth nations?

(b)Should the page include tours to the Channel Islands (which are part of the British Isles and United Kingdom) and the British Overseas Territories?

2 - The Cyprus Inconsistency

(a) If the page subject is limited to commonwealth nations then Cyprus is not a commonwealth nation (at the time of any visit) and is ineligible for inclusion.

(b) If the page subject is Visits to nations that aren't the UK then include Cyprus.

(c) If Visit has a qualifier of 'being part of a State Visit' then Cyprus and all refuelling stops are disqualified.

- Exception to above: Refuelling stops in a Commonwealth Realm are excluded from exception 2(c) because the Queen is Sovereign of the Realm and is included in the list or isn't part of a state visit in 2(b) and is excluded.

Next Steps

Define the scope as either Commonwealth Nations or All Nations
Determine if a visit is an official tour so as to exclude or include refuelling stops.
Define eligibility for including a visit in this list especially with a view to the British Overseas Territories.

For my part I vote for All Nations, exclude and Any to a nation of which the Queen is not Sovereign (and the nation is recognised by the UK) or any visit to a Commonwealth Realm as part of an official state programme with the exception of the United Kingdom".

Karl Stephens (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The page lists visits to parts of the Commonwealth that are outside of the British Islands. I see no reason to complicate things further. The inclusion criteria are simple. DrKay (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Karl Stephens suggestion above. The "confusion" above lies in the meaning of "Commonwealth" which is, and should only to mean the Commonwealth of Nations. For this list to be meaningful, it is to include all countries in the Commonwealth of Nations, and territories (outside of the British Islands) where QE2 was sovereign. Kvasir (talk) 18:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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16 visits to Australia

Culled from the article. (Just for info).

1954, 1963, 1970, 1973, 1974, 1977, 1980, 1981,

1982, 1986, 1988, 1992, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2011.

Plus 1977 (return from PNG), 1981 (return from NZ).

MBG02 (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Maldives visit in 1972

The Queen visited the Maldives in 1972.

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/03/14/archives/queen-elizabeth-in-maldives.html

I'm not sure if the Maldives was a member of the Commonwealth at that time, so that may be why it was ommitted. This visit is included on the Wikipedia article listing the Queen's visits to non-Commonwealth countries.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. Maldives did not join the Commonwealth until 1982. I originally added Maldives on the list under 1970s, but I have removed it. I will add it to the "countries never visited" at the bottom, though. QE2 "could've" visited Maldives all this time while it's a member, but didn't. Kvasir (talk) 17:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eswatini and Lesotho

Did the Queen ever visit Eswatini (Swaziland) or Lesotho? Those are both members of the Commonwealth but they are not listed on the article.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:20, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She went to Basutoland and Swaziland Protectorate in 1947. DrKay (talk) 07:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Akrotiri was visited in 1961 and 1993

The Queen visited the British military base at Akrotiri in 1961 and 1993.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/09/princes-long-chequered-relationship-cyprus/

https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/09/09/sba-administrator-pays-tribute-to-queen-elizabeth-ii-on-her-passing/

Film footage of the visit - https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/item/110612180-cyprus-akrotiri-queen-elizabeth-meets-archbishop-makarios

Mtminchi08 (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good find, we just need the actual dates to add those visits to the list. We can only assume they coincided with the visits to Cyprus. Kvasir (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1961 date confirmed:

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/VLVA4MX0W8V8M8WHK0XEWD67D3W22-CYPRUS-AKROTIRI-QUEEN-ELIZABETH-MEETS-ARCHBISHOP-MAKARIOS/query/Elizabeth Kvasir (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1993 date:

https://www.rct.uk/collection/630590/the-royal-luncheon-officers-mess-royal-air-force-akrotiri-23-october-1993 Kvasir (talk) 15:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

St. Helena was visited in 1947

The Queen visited St. Helena in 1947 when she was still a princess.

https://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/2022/news/statement-on-the-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii/

Film footage of the visit to St. Helena - https://www.britishpathe.com/video/royal-tour-1947-11

Mtminchi08 (talk) 03:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good find, i would be surprised if they didn't stop there on the way to South Africa. Kvasir (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Map image

The map currently shown does not match the article. Does anyone know how to make a new one using the current one as base? Kvasir (talk) 16:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]