Talk:List of Black Lagoon characters

false translation

I think, that "Kruppen Feller" isn't the name of the charakter. If you check the japanese name (クルッペンフェラー, Kuruppen Ferā?) then you can also read it as "Gruppenführer". It isn't a name, but an SS rank. So, it should fit to the nazis. The other way around, there isn't any sense. --Rockita202 (talk) 12:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockita202 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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I dunno how to revert stuff on wikipedia but the descriptions about Ginji and Chaka that were added on january 9th seem a little too rich with opinion.

-kaizen

I didn't revert them, but I pulled out most (I think) of the subjective additions to Ginji and all of them for Chaka, as well as the latter's death. If someone wants to add that detail back in, feel free. --BrokenSphere 19:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No info on the Nazis?

They're in a 3 episode arc. Sure they're Nazis, but why exclude them on those grounds? Even minor characters like Chin and Luak who make one shot appearances have entries on here. --BrokenSphere 17:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

They're in now. Just one thing about the old Nazis on the submarine, the SS guy is described as being part of the SD. His hat bears the emblem of Waffen SS Division Totenkopf. Is he a member of both at the same time? --LordHoborgXVII 15:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

All SS officers had the death's head insignia on their caps. If any soldier/officer was a member of a Waffen-SS division, this would be indicated by a cuff title on their left sleeve. This guy has the SD diamond patch on his left sleeve above the cuff, and the SD was the intelligence branch of the SS, so someone could be a member of both organizations. --BrokenSphere 18:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Marijuana or Opium ?

It currently states that Leigharch smokes a lot of Marijuana, but is this true? I think his hallucinations, Rock's reaction, and Leigharch's overdose are indicators that he is actually smoking Opium. I made no changes to the article, but think the reference to Marijuana is an error.

Revy's Guns

Has it ever proven that Revy's weapons actually have threaded barrels with thread protectors on?

I'm just tempted to change it to something along the lines of "with extended barrels" as this could cover either case, unless of course at some point in the manga we find out that they are indeed threaded with thread protectors.

Otherwise, saying the above would really fall under speculation IMO.

Lmaowitzer 15:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hell, they're not even chrome plated (you never chrome plate firearms anyways, they're nickle plated unless it's a custom job). Her "Beretta 92F"s are stainless steel, and the extra barrel length is a thread protector which protects the threads on the barrel for a silencer. Look up Beretta 92F Inox and Silencers.

--Tacticalvirus 05:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Revy's Playachat Beretta M92 Sword Cutlass Customs is basicly M92s with barrel and slide extended 1cm each. Not a thread protector.

168.122.227.163 20:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

First of all, they're Beretta 92Fs (plural, not 92FSs), there's no such thing as an "M92", "M9" was its designation in the U.S. Military. Second of all, yes, those are thread protectors, when you just swap in a longer barrel you don't have the seam that's always drawn on her pistols. I'm sure five minutes on google will get you a clear picture of the difference.

Tacticalvirus 05:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Lets see, well, it appears that they have thread protectors, but I don´t get why, because Revy never used silencers with them, and she´s not someone who would use silencers. And about M92, and abbreviation of Mod(el) 92, which reads on the right side of the slide?

TheOtus 22:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The thing about the M92 is semantics, but in the case of Beretta, it's always refered to as 92X, 96X, etc. Common practice in the gun world is to use the M designation only when talking about military weapons, i.e.: M9, M1911. This came to pass because of military naming procedures, where they shortened things like "Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911" to M1911 for common useage. Civilian retailers drop the M to distinguish their product from military surplus/grade arms. As for the thread protectors, it does seem very odd. The whole idea of silencers runs counter to Revy's personality, yet I don't see her getting a cheap hackjob barrel extension. If someone of her calibre was going to customize a pistol, she'd have it done properly. Plus if the slide and barrel were extended 1cm(again not something that's done, barrel/slide swaps are usually in multiple inches) the proportion of the muzzle to the slide would have stayed the same.

Tacticalvirus (talk) 08:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

The barrels of Revy's Beretta's look to have supressor lugs on them.Thus it is most likely that whoever made those custom pistols put supressor capable barrels on the pistols. Paulwharton (talk) 02:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

1995?

It says Rock joined the Black Lagoon crew in 1995.. where does this year come from?

About Eda of the church of violence...

Hi everyone I'm basically a lurker, but I just wanted to point out something. Please remove this sentence from Eda's biography --> "She also makes confusing statements about "not having balls since she was born"." I just watched the scene where she said it (episode 15 of black lagoon), and the reason why she said it was because Revy said "who do you think saved you from having your balls ripped of by hotel moscow?" IMHO her comment was basically just a pwning of Revy, since being a girl she really wouldn't have balls that hotel moscow will rip off, right? Please remove it, as it gives an impression of Eda being a transvestite or something. thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.106.208.118 (talk) 08:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

I removed it, but in the future you should just remove it yourself. Look for the edit link, and click on it. - Peregrine Fisher 08:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Justification for edits 4/9/2007

I'm just opening a discussion on this to preemptively avoid having to play edit wars.

The most recent edits by 70.187.202.223 seemed a little out of place, so I ran a few lines through google and returned a link to http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54639 this website. The text had been lifted directly from that page, needless to say it is inappropriate for Wikipedia on a number of levels.

Lmaowitzer 04:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Rock 'Stockholm Syndrome'

Rock, from joining the Lagoon company, has exhibited Stockholm Syndrome after sneering at Kageyama for not saving him.

Might this not have more to do with Asahi Industries trying to kill him? Of course, Rock has exhibited signs of Stockholm Syndrome, but the attempted assasination seems to have contributed more to his refusal to return to Asahi.

B.lempereur 11:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Sounds Like A Fanpage

A lot of this article sounds like a transposition from a fan group or webpage. Requesting edits to use more technical and encyclopedic language. Example "The Triad are pretty cool and collected" seems too informal for an encyclopedia.

Incorrect Information

I changed some things that were written about the last episode of the anime, the anime doesn't end with Revy and Eda about to get into a gunfight, then I changed some other things about the Revy and Rock relationship because there is no implication that they have ever been together once not in the anime or in the manga. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|Drakes97 (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)]] comment added by Drakes97 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Revy and Rock Relationship

I changed the part of the article about the implication of Revy being attracted to Rock and getting jealous when Eda makes advances towards him because it seems more like anger due to Eda's teasing then jealousy, their relationship doesn't seem to be like that at least not at the moment.Drakes97 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it is pretty obvious if you read between the lines, which is typical for anime due to cultural differences. See Pumpkin Scissors just for an example. 87.161.82.148 (talk) 07:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

That's not true, there really is nothing between the lines, its a speculation that there is romantic interest,I've already seen the cultural differences, I think this is dependent on what the viewer thinks, and I think you should see how badly Revy gets teased by Eda, this anger can very easily be interpreted as just anger, also due to the fact that Eda even gets physical when teasing. And I am not trying to say that she doesn't have an attraction, I am trying to say that it is questionable, she may or she may not be attracted to Rock, Its really not correct to simply say she is jealous, stating that its questionable is leaving it open for interpretation because that's what it really is until further notice, you can interpret it as jealousy and that's fine. You are right, jealousy within romantic interest is typical for anime, but not all anime, it might not be the case here, I think its best to leave it as open as it is. To avoid further conflicts and to support both ideas better,I would like to leave it at questionable.Drakes97 (talk) 10:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, sounds reasonable, but I should have been more clearer that by reading between the lines I wasn't exclusively or even especially talking about the Eda "jealousy" thing.

I meant things like the lighting of her cigarette through holding them together in ep. 7, which is uncommon in Japan. Even Rock's reaction shows this, since in that scene at first he doesn't even know what she means and tells her the cop has the lighter. The way the procedure itself is shown is also kind of intimate, even resembling a kiss in a way.

There is also the way in which she screams at him he shouldn't watch because it would scar/damage him when the girl is about to commit suicide. From a western point of view it could be normal concern for a colleague, but in anime this being worried about and/or trying to protect someone is very often an indicator of affection.

There were probably more things like that, but it has been a while since I watched the series and I can't remember anything specific right now. Maybe if I re-watch it and find/remember something I add it here.

Nowadays I don't have the energy anymore for lengthy arguments and/or editwars on Wikipedia and as I said, your position is reasonable, so I won't try to edit the page for now.

But one last thing, regarding the way you described your position as "it may or may not be the case", the specification "may be possible" might be better suited in the article then "is questionable".87.161.83.145 (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are absolutely right, there is definitely affection between the two, throughout the series they have gotten closer but what I am trying to say is that certain things can be interpreted differently, for example, the lighting of the cigarette scene, rather then representing an indirect kiss, it could be interpreted as a a step to a closer connection between the two, because before that, Revy began to hate Rock and after the confrontation she definitely found a strong respect for him and felt closer and she expressed it in that way, their two cigarettes lighting up in that scene could be interpreted as a symbol of connection between the two also because it looked like a sort of bridge to one another as well, a lot of the things in the show itself break away from traditional, the psychology itself behind it is not very typical, the part where she screams at him not to look is an obvious sign of closeness but I didn't say that they didn't become very close, I am saying that there doesn't seem to be any real indication of romance between them at the moment, their relationship is a very complex one and I didn't think it was right to just label it as a romantic one, I will change it to "may be possible", it does sound better, thanks.Drakes97 (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Take into account who we're talking about here, too. Rock, and Revy. Rock, the stiff white-collared Japanese, and Revy, who has never lived a normal day in her life that we know of. Not to mention that while it could be romance, it's really too vague for that, as it could be purely friendly without her having any other interests in him. He, however, may perhaps have an interest in her. Actually, make that "most likely". Drunkenvalley (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

"Loveless" or "Lovelace" ?

The correct writing of a surname is specified in the report which is read by the Balalaika. We will not offend a proud sort, naming it "Loveless", it is correct - "Lovelace". Here the report text:

Report on an investigation: Lovelace and Manisarera Cartel.
Lovelace is clan of the aristocrat in Venezuela some powered aristocrat
in this region is called "South America 13 family" and this Lovelace is
one of them... however us financial position is suffering.
A plantation farming using cheap manpower and jewel mining from the emerald
mine develop as the main industry in Venezuela. However, the plantation
farming, especially the cigarette and... ...tation seem to have received
damage... ...ase in this rainy season of several years. ...ucture is recorded.
...Diego Lovelace and eldest son Garcia Lovelace.
...Diego Lovelace dies four years ago. It is Roberta...
...isarera cartel is seen for two years.
...were excavated in a certain pane...
...es were investigated about two...
...m" are used for a ceramic...
...rera cartel that obtained the...
...rance of the land by using...
Garcia Lovelace kidnapping...

--Toropyga (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Toropyga

Vietnam war

Saigon has fallen in 1975. But armies of the USA have been deduced from Southern Vietnam two years prior to this event, in 1973. Naturally, Dutc and the more so PT boat could not be in Vietnam after 1973.--Toropyga (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)Toropyga

Thanks to 141.165.142.92

Thanks for text correction - automatic translators work not ideally. Would like to explain some fragments of the text.

"A fine marksman" and "sniper" are mentioned separately because it is different abilities. It is possible to possess each of them, without possessing the second, but the Balalaika possesses both abilities together.

As far as I understand, the phrase "show a rapid progression" marks a rapid progress. Believe, by 30 years to receive a rank of the captain (especially in the war) it is normal. The phrase "rapid show a progression" should mark fast change of fragments of a serial.

I was able to understand most of what you are saying (The "Sniper vs. Marksman" point is valid; I did not even realize that I had removed the "and sniper" portion.) However, your statement of The phrase "rapid show a progression" should mark fast change of fragments of a serial. is almost impossible to comprehend. You may want to run whatever you were saying through a different program and repost it. In the meantime, I've re-edited that sentence in the article to what (I think) you are trying to say. (i.e. rapidly show her progression... "rapid show" would only make sense if "show" was a noun instead of a verb.)--141.165.141.207 (talk) 04:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Again thanks. Because of your proof-reading the text looks much better, even through my program translate. %)

I am am disturbed more by that because of spoilers encyclopaedic article turns to plot retelling. I hope that there will be a proof-reader who will remove numerous descriptions of the relation between heroes and will leave (as well as follows for the encyclopaedia) only the facts.

The modern kind of article the unnecessary details is capable to frighten off the person which yet did not see a serial. I hope that people from "WikiProject Anime and manga" will pay attention to a current state of affairs. Such unique and remarkable serial is worthy encyclopaedic article of better quality.

Article processing.

I suggest to place here the fragments which are not corresponding to encyclopaedic style of article, but containing the interesting information.

Balalaika

• "References to the past events in flashbacks in episode 21 - summer in Moscow, Afghanistan (1987), the end of the USSR and Olympic Games in Barcelona (1992) - rapidly shows her progression from childhood to being a seasoned veteran." - spoiler.--Toropyga (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Toropyga
• "Balalaika, unlike many other "bosses", takes part in work normally done by underlings (such as editing hardcore pornography, as seen in episode 7)." - the inconsistent information, the majority of bosses take part in activity of the groupings.--Toropyga (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Toropyga
• "Balalaika is also one of the few people to earn the respect of Revy, who has taken to calling her anego ("elder sister")." - other explanations are possible.--Toropyga (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Toropyga
• "In episode 10, Benny tells Rock that these men are skilled enough to independently "start and win World War III"." - spoiler.--Toropyga (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Toropyga

Major Shane Caxton

• List_of_Black_Lagoon_characters#Bounty_Hunters_and_Mercenaries "However, it is later revealed Caxton faked his own death and Garcia's gun was filled with blanks." I couldn't find any proof of this- is this even true? --68.226.94.245 (talk) 04:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Anime vs Manga, English vs Japanese

I was wondering which version of media the info on this page is based on, as there are differing bits of information depending on the source. Namely, four categories: Japanese Manga, English Manga, Japanese Anime, and English Anime. If using all four, there have been no specifications but should have them. Kaylahawk (talk) 12:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Real name of Balalaika.

"While in Japan she used the pseudonym Vladilena N. Vasilinov" - not entirely true. Balalaika used the name "Vladilena" much earlier. In the 13 series on her business card printed "V.V. Vladilena".

"Her real name is Sofiya Pavlovena" - give a link to this information, please. Toropyga (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Image Borked

Could it be possible for the Lagoon Company section of this article to be accompanied by an illustration with proper aspect ratio? It would be more encyclopedic of us. rowley (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)