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This is really an unnecessary extension of the article ... or any article in the "List of Billboard Hot 100 top 10 singles..." series (2017 also has this). While it's debatable whether summarizing each artist's tally of songs is acceptable (WP:CALC allows some latitude on "counting", as long as there is consensus among editors), the tally of each artist's weeks in the top 10 (or any song's weeks for that matter) is completely different. The source for these counts - the collection of Hot 100 charts during the year - is completely separate from this article, and tallies are subject to error by the one compiling the information. This is pretty much similar to "counting" how many episodes a guest actor appears in a TV series, and then placing the count in a Wikipedia article about the actor or the TV series. That kind of tally has been seen in Wikipedia's TV project as being original research since reliable sources generally don't exist to back the count. Likewise, aside from various achievements that Billboard publishes about artists from time to time, such as Katy Perry's 69 consecutive weeks in the top 10 a few years ago or Drake's recent 431 consecutive weeks on the Hot 100, they can't publish statistics for everything happening on the Hot 100. (Case in point: Did anyone know that BlocBoy JB's recent chart bow in the top 10, on February 24, 2018, with "Look Alive" was the 200th Hot 100 debut in that tier of the chart? Billboard didn't publish anything about that, and I'd likely have this trivia reverted for at least being unsourced or original research.)

While it is difficult/nearly impossible to find reliable sources to back the tally of weeks in the top 10 for songs or artists, one of Joel Whitburn's series of Record Research books called Pop Annual managed to do that for songs, up thru at least 2011. I do have one edition of that book (which goes to that year), and it may be easier to combat vandals who change the tallies in the earlier articles of the series. Even with the sources, there has been debate about the existence of this series of articles, but I'm not here to address that. But this "Entries by artist", as well as not having a source to support the weeks in the top 10 tallies, becomes indiscriminate information and shouldn't exist in the articles without WP:CONSENSUS that this, or some part of the table represented in the section, is noteworthy. I am, thus, removing the section (diff) and it should not be restored without consensus that its inclusion is noteworthy. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do think these top ten lists present a collection of indiscriminate information and even more so a topic that is not generally discussed in independent sources. If one considers Whitburn's books as a reliable, independent source, then an entire List of Hot 100 songs of 2018 could be created, rather than arbitrarily stopping at 10. His books do summarize the number ones of each year and there are list articles for each of those, and I believe that is sufficient for an encyclopedia for this type of chart info. There is consensus that lists of number twos shouldn't exist per WP:IINFO, yet for some reason these top 10 songs lists survived an AfD.
With that being said, if they are going to exist, I thought one way to reduce the amount of indiscriminate information in these lists would be to take out the "weeks in the top ten" column (per WP:CHARTTRAJ, "number of weeks in total on the chart...should not be included as routine data for all charts") and the separate tables for peaking in a different year, and just keep the scope on songs in the top 10 during the year ordered by issue date rather than when a song entered the top 10. So it starts with the top ten for the first week of the year and for each subsequent issue, songs that are new to the top ten are added. It will also be easier to maintain. Check out User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars/List of Billboard Hot 100 top 10 singles in 2018 for what it could look like. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 July 2018

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. Perhaps a different method is in order for determining if any should be moved to "songs". bd2412 T 03:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– I'd like to change this class of articles to use "top-ten" because hyphenation indicates an adjective which refers to "singles", whereas "top ten" could be mistaken to mean "the 10 most popular singles in that year". I do not mind if others prefer "top-10". It might also be helpful to change "singles" to "songs" from 1998 onwards, since Billboard changed their charting criteria in that year, but I haven't done this for consistency with the lists of number-one songs. Jc86035 (talk) 11:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"All I Want for Christmas Is You" - two different holiday seasons, and making the top 10 in those years

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Last holiday season (2017), Mariah's song made the top 10 for the first time, peaking at #9. This holiday season (2018), it is back in the top 10, and as of December 15, 2018, it has achieved an even higher position at #7. Since this song is seasonal, and only appears on the Hot 100 during the holidays, these two different peaks are considered separate, and should be listed separately. Thoughts? MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:50, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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