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Elvis Presley's stats in the article

Recent changes in some of his achievements listed, particularly "Most top 40 singles" and "Most Hot 100 entries" has me wondering what the consensus is regarding how we list these. It is noted with his numbers that they include both Hot 100 and pre-Hot 100 chart data, and a few editors are wanting to focus on just his Hot 100 stats, which is not a reflection of his overall career (that started more than two years before the Hot 100 did). For the two categories I mentioned above, this may seem less of a deal when compared to the numbers of contemporary artists (like Drake and Lil Wayne), but an edit to his count for "Most number-one singles" (diff)(a recent edit I reverted, returning his count from 7 to 18) is quite another story. It is true that he had only seven (7) number-one singles on the Hot 100 itself, as indicated here, but his other number ones before August 1958 (on various pre-Hot 100 pop charts like Best Sellers, Most Played by DJs, and even the Top 100) are just as important to his career, if not more so. That being said, unless another consensus is reached to focus on only his Hot 100 chart entries, we should stick to reporting the data associated with his entire career (Hot 100 and before). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about Billboard Hot 100 achievements, not Rock era achievements. As such, all stats in this article should focus on everyone's Hot 100 stats and reflect what Billboard currently has. This issue is not new: I went back through the talk archives and noticed a similar conversation occurred in 2006! Richard Hendricks (talk) 21:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little confused mostly by Elvis being listed as having 18 number-one singles. For all of the other statistics Billboard would agree with it, regardless of if it predates the Hot 100, but they're very concrete on him having 17 number one singles because the single, as was issued at the time, was Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog. I'm not really sure why non-Billboard sources are being used as the yardstick for that ranking, especially given that, predating of the Hot 100 or not, we don't really make that exception for double A-sides on any other article, for any other song, or for any other artist. If the measurement is about double A-sides counting twice for a singles ranking if both sides are big enough then acts like Elton John has a credible argument to be added to the ten club and the Beatles would probably have 21 or 22. I know it was changed a long time ago (for reasons that I'm sure made sense at the the time, though I don't know them) so everyone has gotten used to it but I don't think it should count because ultimate the primary source, the magazine itself, disputes it. That's what should matter. Thurboas (talk) 21:48:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Prima, Bobby Helms

The article currently states:

When "4th Dimension" by Kids See Ghosts featuring Louis Prima debuted at No. 42 for the week of June 23, 2018,^[1] Prima became the artist with the longest overall span of singles on the Hot 100 – 57 years, 130 days on account of his single "Wonderland by Night" which last appeared at No. 89 on the Hot 100, dated February 13, 1961.^[2]

But the very next paragraph states:

Bobby Helms holds the longest wait for an artist's first top 10: 60 years, four months and two weeks. His song "Dreams" debuted on the third Hot 100 ever (dated August 18, 1958), and "Jingle Bell Rock" reached the top 10 on the chart dated January 5, 2019.^[3]

Clearly, if Prima was once the artist with the "longest overall span of singles on the Hot 100", he must not hold that record anymore, since Helms must have broken that record. In fact, since "Jingle Bell Rock" continues to return to the Hot 100 at Christmas time every year, Helms' span of Hot 100 singles would now extend over 65 years.

References

^ Trust, Gary (June 20, 2018). "Louis Prima Sets Record For Longest Break Between Hot 100 Hits, Debuting on Kids See Ghosts' '4th Dimension'". Chart Beat. Billboard.com. Archived from the original on June 21, 2018. Retrieved June 20, 2018.
^ "Billboard Hot 100 (February 13, 1961)". Billboard. Archived from the original on January 10, 2019.
^ "Mariah Carey's 'Christmas' Climbs to No. 3 on Billboard Hot 100, Ariana Grande's 'Next' Leads for Seventh Week". Billboard. Archived from the original on January 12, 2019. Retrieved January 4, 2019.

-- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the underlying Billboard article and found that the record Prima set was for the longest gap between appearances (i.e. with no chart singles in between), not the longest span of appearances (i.e. from his first chart single to his most recent, no matter how many singles he had in between). I've corrected the article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Bar Song (Tipsy) longevity updates

As of this latest chart week, "A Bar Song (Tipsy)" by Shaboozey has spent:

15 weeks at No. 1 on the Hot 100

17 weeks in the top two (2 weeks at No. 2)

19 weeks in the top three (2 weeks at No. 3)

25 weeks in the top five (5 weeks at No. 4, 1 week at No. 5).

Please include the song on the tables for "Most total weeks in the top two" and "Most total weeks in the top five". Tfa-20 (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, with citation needed tags added as well. The song also has 25 weeks in the top ten (all but two of its total weeks on the Hot 100 have been up there); quite a few weeks away from being listed in that table (minimum is 33 weeks), but at the current rate, it'll likely make it, even with the Christmas/holiday season songs on their way back soon. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A Bar Song has now tied 'One Sweet Day' for longest running no.1. I'd like to add that as a note under record progression of no.1's Seod13ie (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. There's a longer running #1 than both of those ... "Old Town Road" by Lil Nas X featuring Billy Ray Cyrus ended up on top for 19 weeks (18 with Cyrus). If I'm following that progression section correctly, the song "Despacito" by Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee featuring Justin Bieber was noted when it tied the then-16-week record of "One Sweet Day", but neither song has the record thanks to "Old Town Road". (For the record, too, "Last Night" by Morgan Wallen got to 16 weeks in 2023, and that's also not noted because of "Old Town Road" setting the new record.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Biggest number-one" inconsistency with regards to Michael Jackson

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In the overall table for "Most number-one songs", Michael Jackson's biggest number-one song is listed as "Billie Jean". However, in the table for male artists only, his biggest number-one song is listed as "Say Say Say", a duet with Paul McCartney.

Since "Say Say Say" ranks higher on the GOAT Hot 100 songs list than "Billie Jean", please add it as Michael Jackson's biggest number-one in the overall table to correct the inconsistency. Tfa-20 (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Trust, Gary (June 20, 2018). "Louis Prima Sets Record For Longest Break Between Hot 100 Hits, Debuting on Kids See Ghosts' '4th Dimension'". Chart Beat. Billboard.com. Archived from the original on June 21, 2018. Retrieved June 20, 2018.

[2] "Billboard Hot 100 (February 13, 1961)". Billboard. Archived from the original on January 10, 2019.

[billboard-com-3] "Mariah Carey's 'Christmas' Climbs to No. 3 on Billboard Hot 100, Ariana Grande's 'Next' Leads for Seventh Week". Billboard. Archived from the original on January 12, 2019. Retrieved January 4, 2019.

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