Talk:List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene

Yunnan Lake Newt

Right of the Yunnan Lake Newt the following was added: "(haven't been extinct,but relatively rare)". Personally I hope this is true, but what is the reference/source? The 2006 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species (published online 4 May 2006) says it is extinct, and I quote: "Listed as Extinct because many exhaustive surveys in known and/or expected habitat, in appropriate seasons, throughout its historic range have failed to record an individual since 1979." Pmaas 14:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

hope you know some chinese,i found this page on web1,where cite Cynops wolterstorffi is a protected animal of China,so i infer there should be some in the wild.To be honest, i am just a layman in zoology. maybe i am wrong.Ksyrie 19:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. Sadly I don't know anyone who can read Chinese. However, I know that some recognised extinct species are classified as critically endangered by some governments, like in China. By classifying it as extinct, not many people and organisations will take an effort or money for its or its habitat's protection/conservation. It is good to keep extinct species protected, or its habitat protected. Just in case it might survive somewhere. Pmaas 08:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Przewalski's Horses

While the picture here is excellent, I wonder: why's it on the page? As far as I can find, they're not actually extinct in Asia. Just endangered. If they are extinct, should they be added to the list? Just some confusion here.

Kurasu 01:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Extinct in the Wild

I noticed that under the Extinct in the Wild section, several animals that are in fact, not extinct in the wild are listed, including the Sumatran and Javan Rhinos (extremely rare, but not extinct in the wild) and the Blue Bull (in fact quite common according to the article on the animal). I'll be removing these, and I'll look over some of the other animals listed to make sure there are no more mistakes. WatermelonRat (talk) 17:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Removing Unneeded Categories

I am removing K-t extinction event and local extinctions to make this list more like the other extinct animal lists that only include animals that became extinct in the Holocene Epoch. I am also including in See Also, Extinct in the Wild and Lazarus Taxon for people looking for those animals. I will also alphabetize the extinct animals -- Extinctanimals22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extinctanimals22 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Reptiles

I will be removing all of the following from the Reptile section of this page. Bali Crocodile, Crocodylus codin Japanese Gecko, Hemidactylus gomerinus (Japan) Painted Lizard Gecko, Gymarnius temosus (1667, Taiwan) Red-and-yellow Snake, Tricecatus domeli (1234, Cambodia) Snake-faced Lizard, Attocetis lycaon (Indonesia), China) I have found no evidence that these animals at all ever existed through multiple searches I will however be adding Colossochelys atlas due to going extinct within the time frame of this list. If there is any evidence any of these animals should be included please use references for these animals have no articles to link to them. Extinctanimals22 (talk) 21:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Asian Cheetah

The Asian Cheetah has been extinct in the past century It should be added to the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.48.78.34 (talk) 23:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Page Merges

I recently merged the contents of the pages listed below into List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene. (List of Caucasian animals extinct in the Holocene was also merged into List of European species extinct in the Holocene, see Talk:List of European species extinct in the Holocene#Page Merges.)

My reasons for merging are twofold:

First, these four articles were largely redundant with List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene. India, Pakistan, the Philippines, and the Caucasus seem to be biogeographically intertwined with the rest of Asia and separating them off results in redundant articles.

Second, the former articles for India and the Philippines also included pre-Holocene extinctions. List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene is limited to the Holocene extinction, as is standard for Lists of extinct species#By region.

Columbianmammoth (talk) 23:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

As a major contributor to the former List of Extinct Animals of the Philippines, I disagree with this motion. While, in a larger biogeographic realm perspective, the Philippines belongs to the Indo-Malaya (Paleotropics); the Philippines sits just before Wallace's line and after Huxley's line. Geographically, only Palawan was ever connected to mainland Asia; every other island rose from the sea. Philippine's connection to the Asian Mainland is via proximity, which is why its terrestrial faunal biogeographic realm is Indo-Malaya but its floral biogeographic realm is Malesia (sharing its connections with Australasia).

A suggestion I would put forward, is to keep the info-rich List of Extinct Animals of the Philippines page and make the Asian entry very minimal. Artemesiagentile (talk) 05:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

You make an interesting point. The Philippines are part of the Indomalayan realm (South and Southeast Asia), but it's location in between the Wallace Line and Huxley Line means that it's next door to the Australasian realm (Australia, New Guinea, New Zealand, and neighboring islands). In other words, you're arguing that the Philippines have a unique biogeographic position within Asia and deserve a separate list.

I'm open to this position. There is a precedent for this. Months ago, I chose to split Madagascar and Indian Ocean Islands, Macaronesia, and Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha off of the Africa article because the list of extinct African wildlife was completely dominated by these biogeographically distinct island groups. Now that I've split these articles, List of African animals extinct in the Holocene is more focused and better-organized.

However, I suspect that the Philippines are different. Note that the last version of List of extinct animals of the Philippines before I turned it into a redirect page included a full section of pre-Holocene extinctions and a couple non-native species (Asian elephants and sika deer). Of course, these would need to be deleted to make the article meet the same format and quality as the rest of the articles in Lists of extinct species#By region. Once these problems are addressed, I'm concerned that "List of Filipino animals extinct in the Holocene" would be a very short list, consisting largely of extinct subspecies and local extinctions. In this scenario, I would oppose creating a separate article.

My suggestion is to wait before making any major decisions. List of European species extinct in the Holocene is currently undergoing a major restructuring by another editor, and I hope that they'll overall List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene at some point. Once this restructuring of the Asia article is complete, we will be able to better assess the situation. How many Filipino species will make the cut? Will they be unique enough and plentiful enough to merit a separate article from the rest of Asia? I doubt it, but we'll see. Columbianmammoth (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose the creation of a separate article for the Philippines. List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene has been extensively improved (expanded and restructured) by another user since my last comment on 7 October 2023, allowing me to state a more definitive opinion. I oppose the creation of a separate article called "List of Filipino animals extinct in the Holocene." Based on the current version of List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene, the extinct taxa from the Philippines are 7 mammals (3 excluding locally extinct, possibly extinct, or disputed taxa), 14 birds (7 excluding locally extinct, possibly extinct, or disputed taxa), 0 reptiles, 0 amphibians, 22 ray-finned fish (15 excluding possibly extinct species), 0 cartilaginous fish, 1 insect, 0 clitellates, and 0 slugs and snails. Although the number of extinct ray-finned fish is surprisingly high, overall, "List of Filipino animals extinct in the Holocene" would be very short and would have a large number of locally extinct, possibly extinct, or disputed taxa.

Therefore, I see no justification for the creation of a separate article for the Philippines. Columbianmammoth (talk) 07:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)