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Started article about a list of American Superhero films. Will need some clean-up, as well as references, more conyrent and maybe an image or two. Please help me by doing this. Thanks.--Snowman Guy (talk) 22:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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  • Box office grosses, make sure worldwide(not domestic), need to be added from www.boxofficemojo.com
  • Fill in gaps in the tables (not including notes)
  • Add all released Marvel Animation films to the animation section.
  • Add all released films from Warner_Bros._Animation#DC_Comics
  • Make the 1992-present bit the same headings and stuff as the top two tables.

IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Upcoming

Can this section possibly be merged in to the two other sections, I see no reason to sperate it. TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

IS this even needed?

This is largely just a list, not complete, and in some cases not even substantiated, of films that two editors think are superhero films. What purpose does this non-specific list serve that multiple existing articles do not? I've removed a large number of arbitrary decisions about this article, but it's still just an indiscriminate lump of facts, which Wikipedia is not about. ThuranX (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Not sure, its the same information that can be found on the superhero film page but this page is easier to read due to the format.TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


yes, it is.67.250.20.248 (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

V for Vendetta

Is this technically a superhero film, or just a film created from a comic book? Miyagawa (talk) 13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


yes, it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.250.20.248 (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Megamind?

i dont think ultraviolet or darkman blade thecrow league of ex gents shoud be on that list. it is against the basic superheros standarts. i also dont think kickass and push are pure superhero moves. a superhero movie fan from athens greece. sakis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.38.93 (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

i dont think ultraviolet or darkman blade thecrow league of ex gents shoud be on that list. it is against the basic superheros standarts. i also dont think kickass and push are pure superhero moves. a superhero movie fan from athens greece. sakis.````--79.166.38.93 (talk) 11:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Dick Tracy

Dick Tracy isn't a superhero movie, is it? 68.48.245.53 (talk) 16:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Defendor?

Defendor is a superhero movie.... it should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jurassickid97 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Defendor is Canadian. FitzJD (talk) 01:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Chronicle 2012 (film)

I believe that the movie 'Chronicle' should be mentioned in the list of Superhero films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kekekekatie (talk • contribs) 04:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

- Chronicle has now been added. You're welcome! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.1.133 (talk) 17:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Judge Dredd

Judge Dredd is missing from this list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.134.41 (talk) 02:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

- Both "Judge Dredd" (1995) and "Dredd" (2012) have now been added! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.1.133 (talk) 17:54, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Tables Broken

The tables on this page are broken, but I have no idea how to fix them. All the live action stuff is listed under "Animated" now and all the animated it listed after that under nothing. Kaiserthegreat (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

What about I Am Number Four and Jumper?

I think the should be added as well if movies like Chronicle are on the list as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Number_Four_%28film%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumper_%28film%29

As a side note, perhaps the list should be renamed to reflect that all the movies share the common theme of superpowers, not necessarily superheroes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.135.112.130 (talk) 22:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

What about 'My super ex girlfriend'?

I didn't see it listed. Would that be a good addition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.55.157 (talk) 02:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Flash Gordon overlooked?

Was Flash Gordon overlooked? There is a featured film of him which I think should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.173.60 (talk) 05:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Toy Story

Could you count the Toy Story trilogy as superhero movies because of buzz lightyear? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jurassickid97 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


Buzz wasn't shown as a superhero character for the movie. Yes, he is a hero toy to this movie universe. but that doesn't count. and this movie doesn't have a super villain that support the hero in this particular movie. so this movie doesn't count as a hero movie. P.S: This movie is about toys that come to life, not about a hero fight a villain to defend the city and save the day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.25.191 (talk) 09:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

RIPD

RIPD is not a superhero movie ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.49.43.187 (talk) 15:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

40's Captain america film missing

should be added


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Captain_America_(serial)&redirect=no — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.126.21 (talk) 00:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Addition to this list

I think "Ultraviolet" should be added to this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.197.79.18 (talk) 12:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think Aeon Flux should be added... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.187.168.170 (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Comicbook character not necessarily Superhero

The following movies should not appear on this list:

  1. Condorman is a spy-movie, where the spy is partially inspired by a superhero-character at the gadgets, but never actually becomes said character.
  2. The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension is a scifi, there is no superhero.
  3. Howard theDuck is a scifi, not superhero.
  4. Doctor Morbid is a movie with a mage. After loosing the Doctor Strange franchise it lost any element relating superheroes.
  5. Tank Girl is an action scifi. No superhero.
  6. Judge Dredd (all versions) is just a cop, one of many. Not superhero.
  7. Barb Wire is a simple spy/resistance movie placed in scifi environment. She isn't superhero.
  8. Casper (all movies) are farfrom including any superhero. They are ghost-stories pure and simple.
  9. Star Kid is just sci-fi.
  10. Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD is just about NickFury, who is a spy/soldier/maybe action hero - but himself was never a superhero.
  11. The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D is a story about some people native ina different world/dimension. They are not special amongst their world.
  12. Push is just about an anti-government person. Anti-government doesn't automatically puts you on the right side and make you a hero. Face it, the guy is a terrorist.
  13. Guardians of the Galaxy are pirates. They're as mush superheroes as Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:5181:5300:18E6:61AB:57EA:80B4 (talk) 23:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorting problem

I tried sorting the top table by gross, but it doesn't sort the grosses in numerical order. Is there a way to correct this? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 01:21, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Doc Savage: The Man of Bronze

Could the above film be classed as superhero material?Halbared (talk) 23:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea why one of my favorite cult films "Buckaroo Banzai" is included, but if it's not gonna be removed, and the rules for what qualifies allows Buckaroo, then Doc Savage certainly needs to be added.134.114.212.109 (talk) 04:48, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 2003

what about this 'Sean Connery's Movie?

89.237.99.122 (talk) 07:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

what is up with the stupid

why isn't this, y'know a list? It's not like there's no more room at the bottom of the notebook page or something. This is as stupid as instructions on a box of toothpicks. What Einstein thought cross referencing and collaborating 3 separate tabs to compare release dates was a clever idea. the page title ought to be changed to Some American Super Hero Movies since it's 3 separate pages none of which are in any way comprehensive. Not donating any more — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.29.175.239 (talk) 13:26, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

The Losers

why the movie "The Losers" is not on this list?

It should be 

Xenohydra (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Superhero ?

Zorro, Conan, Red Sonja, Flash Gordon, The Lone Ranger are not superheroes. Zorro and The Lone Ranger have masks but that's all. Conan has no superpowers nor Red Sonja or Flash Gordon... This list should be more limited. --Olivier Tanguy (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

You don't seem to realize what a Superhero is do you?--please read a Punisher or Batman comic and come back to us. --2601:645:C380:4CB0:C009:A1C2:F887:D619 (talk) 01:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Braven

Why is Braven on this list? This film doesn't have any superpowers or superheroes in it - it's just an action movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.33.103 (talk) 23:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

---I have no idea. I decided to start at the bottom of the list and work my way too the top, watching every single superhero film on this list. Me and my girlfriend started month ago and just now finished. There is nothing superhero about this movie at all. It's just a regular old Adventure film, and if we are going to start counting protogonists of every action/adventure film a superhero then this list will become very flawed very quickly. I could see the inclusion of Indiana Jones or Han Solo (I think they both fit, as they have outfits, sidekicks, codenames, alter egos, etc) - but this film, nothing at all. Superherohype doesn't even cover it. I think the producers of Aquaman were trying to create buzz by adding the film here to build up Jason Momoa as their star. I deleted just now. --2601:645:C380:4CB0:C993:DE5:9E9:BF5F (talk) 07:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Marvel and DC

I disagree with separating the two major comic book publishers from this list. From what I understand Marvel and DC were segregated due to their having numerous entries and were composing a substantial portion of this list. The benefit of not having a complete and compiled research tool escapes me but is there an old copy of the American Superhero films list archived anywhere that doesn't require prior knowledge of the industry and genre? Are there other publishers who have similarly been removed due to in-group categorization like Marvel and DC have been, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with publishers other than those two and wouldn't know what additional publishers to search for in order to correlate the separate lists. This is really making my paper on genre trends in film a whole lot harder than I thought it would be when I first came across this resource. There have been very few years where a super hero movie hasn't been released and to a generally profitable result belying the conception that the trend in making super hero movies is new when rather it is just mainstreamed but it seems when you divided up the list into separate niches a lot of that data failed to become transcribed and it's hard to correlate it all back together with all the missing gaps.

I totally agree with the above, this is no longer a list of superhero films and should be renamed "Action Hero Films" instead. The page was great and useful before but now is near useless for most people. I guess I'll find another resource which is more related to its title 86.150.233.87 (talk) 20:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Taking out Marvel and DC has made this page so much less useful. I'm not big on superhero movies but I knew this page existed and came to check some things. Unlike before, now if I want to see a full list of superhero movies in order I need to have three windows open at the same time (this page, Marvel page, DC page) and look back and forth and do the ordering in my mind instead of having it in a nice, easy-to-read list. What a bizarre editorial choice. RatMusic (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Recent influx of non-superhero films

Recently, there have been a large number of titles added to this page in the last month which do not seem to fit within the superhero genre, instead fitting within the martial arts or action genres. For example, The Matrix, the Underworld films, and Kung-Fu Panda seem to have little to no connection to superheroes, despite those characters having supernatural or superhuman powers. In addition, there are a lot of "sword and sorcery" films on the list now, like Conan the Barbarian, and the Beastmaster. While these films have a lot of ties to the pulp fiction trappings of early superhero comics, I don't believe this qualifies them to be on this list. I would propose that these entries, along with others that fall outside the guidelines of the genre, should be removed. Camelkong (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

The boundaries of superhero fiction are not clear-cut. The main article on the topic cites the following characters as prototypes of the genre:

List of superhero films

Why is this restricted to American movies? There aren't that many superhero movies made outside the US, so they should be incorporated and the article renamed. Jmj713 (talk) 15:01, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps because this article is titled "American" superhero films 85.220.41.207 (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Star Wars?

Why are the Star Wars films included? I've been a Star Wars fan since 1977 and this is the first and only place I have ever seen it referred to as a superhero concept 2604:3D09:1F74:1C00:14AB:6674:2130:BD2A (talk) 04:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The Star Wars entries are cited with an independent reliable source verifying that Jedis are superheroes. Did you read the section above? As I have tried to explain before, everyone has a different opinion about what is and want isn't a superhero film/franchise. Some would argue that Luke Skywalker is a superhero because he has powers and uses them to defend the galaxy; while others would argue that he's not a superhero because he doesn't wear a costume. Such a debate could last for centuries. However, the personal opinions of editors are immaterial. That's why independent reliable sources are important. I hope this helps. God bless!!!Sparkles32 (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

we need more concrete definitions of what a superhero film is

there are some iffy ones here Yrs601 (talk) 13:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree. There's an user on this page who insists that there are reliable sources listing some of these out-of-place movies as superhero movies, despite the fact that any article that'd consider Star Trek, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Back to the Future, or Jurassic Park as films about superheroes is written by someone who hadn't the faintest idea of what they were talking about.
The fact remains that as it is right now, this list is completely useless, since it basically just lists every blockbuster ever made. Can someone more knowledgeable about Wikipedia policies invoke something like Wikipedia: Common Sense or Wikipedia: General Consensus?
And by the way, the definition already exists in the superhero film article. I quote: "A superhero film is a film that focuses on superheroes and their actions. Superheroes are individuals who usually possess superhuman abilities and are dedicated to protecting the public". This list clearly doesn't follow that definition given that James T. Kirk, Indiana Jones, Alan Grant, and Marty McFly don't possess superhuman ability and aren't dedicated to protecting the public. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
But the definition of superhero has little to do with protecting the public. Whatever that is. The main article states that superheoes were influenced by real-life masked vigilantes. In fiction, masked avengers with secret identities are largely derived from the Scarlet Pimpernel/Percy Blakeney (1905) by Baroness Orczy. Who wanted to protect aristocrats from execution. Early examples of the superhero genre include:
Yeah the whole thing is complicated. Popeye has super strength from spinnach, but is he a "superhero"? The term seems vague and includes random Heroic genre films within and very little with the films in question. Not to mention specific credits (release date, cast, crew, or even if they are American productions). A definition of the specifics of "what is" a superhero may be vague, but I may propose re-iterating it something like "List of American films based on Superhero comics" where the definition might be more clear than really vague list that helps nobody. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism / What is up lately adding random stuff on this, this year?

After checking and editing this wiki, I just found out movies such as Star Wars, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Austin Powers, Indiana Jones, Resident Evil, Machete, Kill Bill and Baywatch are on this, btw what are these got to do with being a superhero film? I removed them but a person named Sparkles32 think those should be included. I mean Terminator, The Matrix, Underworld, G.I. Joe, Transformers and Kung Fu Panda are ok on there since they are somewhat superhero influenced. But if this is confusing for people maybe they should put down "List of Superhero/Superhuman/Magical Films" or something. 67.225.39.87 (talk) 05:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I restored those entries because they had independent reliable sources (books, magazines, newspapers, etc) verifying that the characters are superheroes. Two things- One, everyone has a different opinion of what a superhero is. As it's mentioned above, the boundaries of superhero fiction are not clear-cut. The second thing is that the personal opinions of editors are immaterial. Some people would say superheroes are strictly people with super-powers, wear costumes and only fight super-villains. But considering genre flexibility, it's not always the case. Some would say Underworld, Ghostbusters and Resident evil aren't superhero movies is like saying Blade, Hellboy and Constantine aren't superhero movies. Saying Star Wars isn't a superhero franchise would be like saying Guardians of the Galaxy isn't a superhero franchise. Saying Austin Powers isn't a superhero would be like saying the Black Widow isn't a superhero. Saying Kill Bill and Machete aren't superheroes is like saying Batman and the Punisher aren't superheroes. Saying Kung Fu Panda and the Matrix aren't superheroes is like saying Shang-Chi and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aren't superheroes. As for movies like Indiana Jones and Baywatch; well, it's not always about costumes, powers or supervillains- it's about the attitude. Of course, there's always the argument saying that the DC and Marvel characters mentioned qualify as superheroes because they come from superhero universes, and anything else doesn't qualify, which is neither here nor there. Fans could spend decades arguing over this subject, which is why independent reliable sources are important. If you can find sources saying that the characters are superheroes or if the movies are superhero movies, then they should cite them. And those that already are cited with sources should stay unless the sources turn out to be no good. The reason I didn't restore Beverly Hills Ninja was because the source was good, but it said the character posed as a superhero, which is not the same thing. And I didn't restore Spies In Disguise because it turned out the source was talking about other movies, so I wasn't sure about that one. I also realize I'm probably wasting my breath because a lot of editors think their opinions are material. Also, if you can't find good sources for certain entries then go ahead and remove them. Well, I hope this helps. God bless!!!Sparkles32 (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Counterpoint, most of these sources are awful and not at all authoritative but pretty weak and terrible, either in their original form or as justifications for the films' inclusions. That or the sources do not indicate an clear explanatory case for the films including a clear definition of the genre and a case for the films including but passing reference to a character, a narrative trope or even as a joky exaggeration.
To go through the films mentioned above.
The Star Wars franchise is included because of a reference from a book called Popular Spiritualities which passingly refers to Jedi Knights as "superheros" in scare quotes. That's it. The Star Wars series also contains ghosts and monsters but I doubt they would be considered horror films.
Terminator has no source, but seems to have been grandfathered in because of a reference in the book Bad for Democracy: How the Presidency Undermines the Power of the People which is not a book about film, comic books or superheroes, but a politics book that again likely makes passing reference to the Terminator in T2 Judgement Day as a superhero or supervillain for some sort of metaphorical point, but is not a piece of genre or film scholarship.
Ghostbusters: a website called "on the set of New York" which is about movies shot on New York shoe horns The Ghostbusters in to pad out an article an article about superhero films shot in New York and rather apologetically refers to them as "superheroes on their own right" (whatever that means).
Austin Powers is referred to in a lighthearted puff piece as a "sexual superhero whose main power was the ability to bed gorgeous women despite his rotting teeth, shaggy chest, and super-sized ego" - I don't think it's serious attempt to place the film in a superhero genre.
The whole Indiana Jones franchise is in there because of a reference in a self help book (possibly self published) called Exercising your soul - again not an authoritative book or source on superheroes, comics books or movies.
Resident Evil: the reference comes from a book called "Education and the female superhero", but the book does not actually refer to Alice as a superhero but as a female warrior. This same single paragraph also lassos in non superpowered Lara Croft, vampire Selene from Underworld, and the, again, not-superpowered-but-good-at martial-arts Buffy the Vampire Slayer. From a personal perspective I'd almost give you Selene, but not based on this source.
Machete: A single line in the book "The Cinema of Robert Rodriguez", "The idea of turning Danny Trejo into the knife wielding superhero "machete" character had already occurred to Rodriguez during the making of desperado". In fact in the film I believe that the character of Machete is a Mexican law enforcement agent, in previous films the character had been a spy. I think the superhero description is hyperbole as Machete does do over the top, unrealistic cool stuff in the movie.
Kill Bill: referenced in a book called "Sex and Violence: The Hollywood Censorship Wars (Media and Power)" but the linked page doesn't actually mentioned Kill Bill, and none of the searched references to Kill Bill seem to show The Bride referred to as a superhero, but I could only see fragments. Again, if it is in their I assume "superhero is exaggeration based on The Bride, like Buffy and Machete, just being super good at fighting.
Baywatch comes from a humorous article titled "One Day They’ll Say the Baywatch Movie Was the Day Dwayne Johnson Became President" in which Johnson is described as ", a superhero in swim trunks who is always on alert, ensuring that his beach is safe for all who frolic on it." Like the Austin Powers reference it can't possibly be meant as a serious bit of film and genre scholarship.
Elsewhere "Steven Universe" the movie is in because the headline to an entertainment Monthly article says they're "the Feminist Superhero We Need" (the 2 paragraph long article itself doesn't use the term "superhero", "super" or even "hero" - the title is obviously clickbait). Entertainment Monthly BTW is a content farm that uses the name of an defunct print magazine that the wiki editor likely hoping you'll get confused with Entertainment Weekly. Even if it were either of those sources, celebrity and entertainment magazines are hardly "authoritative sources".
I could go on. Other examples raised such as Jurassic Park, Back to the Future, Toy Story and the Super Mario Bros films have no cited sources.
Basically the criterion seems to be if ANYone uses the world "superhero" next to a character's name, no matter how weak or tangential the reference, that's used as justification.
That's why this list is terrible. Verlaine76 (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
The list is still a work in progress, so sorry if they're not all cited yet. It doesn't matter what kind of sources they are as long as they are independent reliable sources verifying that the films are superhero films or if one or more the main characters are superheroes.Sparkles32 (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello Sparkles. Many of these are not reliable sources as I clarified. Secondly you are confused as to what constitutes a source verifying that it is a superhero movie, that makes a clear claim and explanation and gives context and history. You seem to be confused about the difference between an encyclopedia and a dictionary. An encyclopedia cites source that give evidence, context, history, etc. A dictionary demonstrates usage. Most of these citations demonstrate usage. Some of them are obviously gags; if someone saying "Austin Powers is a superhero because he has bad teeth but still fucks" is OK for Wikipedia, fine, but it's one of the reasons "he references Wikipedia" is a standing joke. Some of them also do not actually claim said films are superhero films when you actually read them; they use to word "superhero" as a metaphor for one particular character.
There is absolutely no definition of "superhero movie" at work here beyond "someone in an article somewhere used the word superhero to describe a character" which is why we're about to get to the ridiculous situation where James Bond is described as a superhero, but Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt are not for no definitional reason other than someone wrote a humorous article saying James bond is like a superhero, but so far the same article for Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt haven't been written. Verlaine76 (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
I will add my voice to those saying that what Sparkles32 has been doing on this page since 2022 basically constitutes vandalism. It's clearly baseless; a mixture of WP-SYNTH and source-fishing masquerading as reliable sources. It is in violation of the selection criteria for Wikipedia lists. Obscure, isolated, and often hyperbolic references to a character being like a superhero are not sufficient for establishing that, for example, Indiana Jones is "a canonical example" of a superhero film or that one would "expect to see" this film on this list. (Notably, for example, Indiana Jones is not referred to as a superhero anywhere in the wikipedia article dedicated to the character. Contrast with Superman, The Shadow, and even something more debatable like Flash Gordon. And, no, this is not an invitation to spew garbage research onto other Wikipedia articles to justify the nonsense in this one.) Justin Bacon (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Where's Batman 1966?? Pretty monumentally important to the history of superhero films... you've got the Batwoman movie from the same year but not Batman? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.63.45 (talk) 12:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The List of films based on DC Comics publications is on the top of the list. The Wild World of Batwoman isn't related to DC comics. God bless!!!Sparkles32 (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay, but then why is Superman (1978) on this list? This has to be one of the worst, most nonsensical lists I've encountered on this site. 75.164.54.222 (talk) 22:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Superman 78 is no on the list. It's on the DC list. Plus, once again, personal opinions are immaterial.Sparkles32 (talk) 21:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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