Talk:Lise Tréhot

Son of French Army general

@Prhartcom and 79.82.117.147: Thank you both for your edits. To recap, the disputed content follows:

In 1883, more than a decade after Tréhot stopped modeling for Renoir, she married architect Georges Briere de l'Isle (1847–1902), the son of French Army general Louis Brière de l'Isle.

Currently, this claim is sourced to footnote 46 in Cooper 1959:171. I will reprint it here for those who don't have access to it:

This full-length portrait marks, however, the beginning of the end of Lise's association with Renoir, for on 24th April 1872 she married a young architect, Georges Briere de'Isle[46]....

[46] Son of General Louis Briere de l'Isle (1827-97), who was Governor of Senegal (1876-81), then Commander-in-Chief during the capture of Tonkin (1885). The Briere de l'Isle family is Norman in origin but was for several generations established at Les Trois Ilets in Martinique...

Now, I don't usually add content to an article unless I can confirm it in at least two sources. As I recall, I did confirm this in another source that escapes me at the moment (however, I shall look for it as time permits). The problem, however, is two-fold, and the IP might actually be on to something: 1) it is possible that the second source cites Cooper, in which case I might not have an independent secondary source, and 2) Cooper has been challenged in many instances due to accusations of uncritical "stenography" on his part; in other words, Cooper repeated stories in his paper that others had told him without properly fact checking. It is entirely possible that this is an example of one of those errors (also note the marriage date error that Cooper repeats, so this is definitely a red flag caught by the IP). I will look further into this. Since the item is disputed, I have no objection to its removal at this time. Viriditas (talk) 23:56, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Other supporting sources

• Drutt, Matthew (2001). Thannhauser: the Thannhauser Collection of the Guggenheim Museum. Guggenheim Museum. p. 208. ISBN 9780810969209.
  • "architect from a well-to-do family (his father, a general at the time of their wedding, later became governor of Senegal)."[1] It's not clear if Cooper is being cited here.

Conclusion

• These two genealogy sources shed some light on the above problem.[2][3] As far as I can tell the father of Georges Briere de l'Isle had a similar name, hence the confusion. His father was named Louis Thomas Laurent Briere de l'Isle (1809–1869) , not Louis Alexandre Esprit Gaston Brière de l'Isle (1827–1897). This lends considerable weight to the IPs claim that Cooper (and subsequent publications) got it terribly wrong. Viriditas (talk) 00:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• Addendum: According to the above sources and the French Wikipedia, the father of Georges Briere de l'Isle, Louis Thomas Laurent Briere de l'Isle (1809–1869), is the half-brother of the general! In other words, Georges' father and the general share the same father but different mothers.[4] This means that Georges Briere de l'Isle (1847–1902) is the half-nephew of French Army general Louis Brière de l'Isle, not his "son". Problem solved. Viriditas (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Viriditas, that's some detective work. Well done. Prhartcom (talk) 02:11, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

New entries to list need to be added

New uploads found in commons category for subject. Viriditas (talk) 09:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Found in Ordrupgaard collection. Need ID to add to list. Viriditas (talk) 22:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Woman in a Meadow (Lise Tréhot) (c. 1868). 29 x 34.5 cm. Viriditas (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Personal note: museum claims the painting is from around 1868, but this may be an error, as the series in question may be from 1866, per the sources. Viriditas (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Update complete. Viriditas (talk) 00:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)